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Am curious how much slower they would be. I may occassionally just use my rain tires that are fully treaded so they don't sit to long without use.

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Very slow.

It feels like the tread blocks are about an inch tall. Very squirmy.

The first time I ran full tread on my AI car I thought something broke on the rear suspension. I would guess 2 seconds a lap slower. The tread is also heavy. That wieght slows everything down too. Try them in practice to shake down the car, but I would not race or qualify on them.

 

Jay Andrew

AI#11 OH/IN, 2006 National Champion

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I'm much slower than Jay, and at my speed, I assume full treads are about 1 second slower.

 

Depending on the event, I like to rotate in full treads in the back of the car and when they are worn down to race depth, then rotate them to the front.

 

This way I always have a couple fresh full treads on hand....I have a few tires with more longevity....I'm ready for the rain if it comes....and I don't mind the loose rear setup (helps turn-in a bit)

 

-=- Todd

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Thanks.

So in other words save the full treads for rain or a not very competitive or well attended event.

It also sounds like you can just wear them down to shaved depth and they grip well then as well

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So in other words save the full treads for rain or a not very competitive or well attended event.

It also sounds like you can just wear them down to shaved depth and they grip well then as well

 

be careful ...most times full tread Toyo RA-1's will heat cycle out before they wear out.

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Yea but I set 4 track records last year on four '00 tires that were harder than Chinese arithmetic.

I cut the sidewall off the last one and hung it on the garage wall.

A '06 season momento.

 

I recommend leaving the rains alone till you need them.

Store them uninflated in one of the wifes closets (or any climate controlled area).

 

jb

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Most of the time heat cycle is what kills performance way before tread wear does. Like Jeff Burch and Jay andrew said stick with the shaved tires for dry conditions and keep the full treads in a climate controlled environment to cut down on degredation of the rubber. I'm already in trouble with the wife for storing Hoosier's in the spare bedroom and stinking up the place.

 

BTW, Jeff Burch I enjoyed watching your in-car video with the commentary overlay of the Nationals. Thanks for doing that.

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Thanks.

So in other words save the full treads for rain or a not very competitive or well attended event.

It also sounds like you can just wear them down to shaved depth and they grip well then as well

 

be careful ...most times full tread Toyo RA-1's will heat cycle out before they wear out.

 

Having won several series and championships on Toyos not to mention many multiple hour endurance races including 3 of TIMEX 12 Hours Of Thunderhill as well as the 25 Hours of Thunderhill I can tell you the Toyos are awesome and even better when they are run right into the cord. Another misconception regarding Toyos is that they need to be heat cycled before racing. Following Ron Cortez advice (Owner of AIM and Toyos distributor) Toyos do not require heat cycling. As a matter of fact, during the end of those races time permiting, we throw on our most worn Toyos simnply because they stick like nothing else.

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BTW, Jeff Burch I enjoyed watching your in-car video with the commentary overlay of the Nationals. Thanks for doing that.

Thx ER!

It was a collaborative effort between Brad Simpson, his brother, Mitch Warren and Robert King.

 

jb

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So in other words save the full treads for rain or a not very competitive or well attended event.

 

I've done this at past events and just worked on my line... Now my 2-year-old "wets" aren't very good in the dry or the wet...

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I dont think my question warrants a new topic so Ill ask here. Where's the best/nearest place to me to get shaved Toyos in 275/40r17? Im located in North Central Kansas and all the local Toyo dealers give silence and confused replies when call I and ask for availability of even full tread RA-1s. Plus the few that have quoted me prices want upwards of $220 each!! A little help please? I dont mind mail order but I just need some direction on where to take my money.

 

Anthony

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Support the tire vendors that support you at your events.

 

 

http://www.bobbyarchermotorsports.com

http://www.thetrackstore.com

 

-=- Todd

 

Well said Todd! I almost made a similar reply yesterday but had a bit of the flu.

 

This has always been one of my pet peeves and I am amazed how many just don't get it. How many times over the years have I heard people say, "But I can get them from So & So for 10 bucks less!!!" I like to save a few bucks just as much as the next guy but responsible racers learn early on there are some things you simply do not try to shave corners on. (No pun intended) One being saftey and they other tires. In my oppinion it's like having a good doctor. If I shpped around I may be able to get a good price on a needle or a scalpe but I sure as hell am not going to remove my own tonsils. That's the doctors job. The same thing goes for my tire guy. When I go to any track all I have to do is call Ron Cortez a call, tell him what I'm running and hang up. He is that trustworthy and he has never done me wrong. He stops what he's doing to help me when I have a problem at the track, my tires are ready when he says they are, he reads them and offers correct reccomendations, etc. And shaving tires is always just part of the service INCLUDED in the price of the tire. Besides, when someone brags about saving a few bucks on a tire from the tire rack or wherever don't they ever take into consideration the mounting and ballancing and shaving factors not to mention all the other advantages of a great go to tire guy? Furthermore, it's important to remember these guys not only offer great service but in fact help promote the very sport we all love. If I had my way I would make it a requirment that all tires be purchased from a local track supporter.

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I third that recommendation. I used to be one of those guys who refused to pay the extra 10-20 bucks per tire from the guy at the track and grumbled about every extra dollar for mounting and balancing, until I got bit by my own cheapness for using a local Walmart to M&B a set of brand-new mail-ordered shaved Toyos. Two of them went flat in the middle of different races at Mid-Ohio, both on the left front as I rotated them around. Turns out the minimum-wager at Walmart cut the beads wrestling them onto the wheels. So saving a few bucks ended up costing me about $350 in ruined tires and the other two are probably just waiting to go pop.

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BTW, Jeff Burch I enjoyed watching your in-car video with the commentary overlay of the Nationals. Thanks for doing that.

Thx ER!

It was a collaborative effort between Brad Simpson, his brother, Mitch Warren and Robert King.

 

jb

 

12 minutes 32 seconds remaining ....

 

And for the record, I'm not Brad's brother ...

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Support the tire vendors that support you at your events.

 

If you're racing in Texas, Bobby Archer will be at all of our remaining events and can have your tires mounted and balanced trackside as well. Call him in advance and let him know what you need.

 

http://www.bobbyarchermotorsports.com

http://www.thetrackstore.com

 

-=- Todd

 

Don't forget Performance SpeedTech

 

http://www.performancespeedtech.com/

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I appreciate the links and I agree that as racers we should support the tire vendors that support us at the track. Despite this I'm the type that either would have to call ahead to make 100% sure Ill have tires waiting for me at the track or better yet have them shipped to me, mounted, and loaded on the trailer ready to go friday morning. I cant imagine towing to a race without tires or arrangements previously made. My attention to detail is borderline obsessive compulsive, which can be a good thing.

 

Thanks,

Anthony

 

Here's what my new TOYOs will be mounted on.

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Todd, How funny. Do you know where Jerry Kunzman and wife are living right now and for the next 4 months?

 

 

Japan! (No kidding)

 

Maybe he's setting up a great deal for us.

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