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heymagic

Lots of good advice, lots of different views and preferences. Mark is a wiseguy..I mean wise man...

 

Here's my 2 cents...if you want a Sube or Mitsu get one. While the NW is mostly Rally America events , you can run Canada or Idaho and trek to California for NASA.

 

You may apply to RA for an exeption to use an AWD car, there will be some restrictions...contact JB Niday on the RA forums first.

 

Back to the Subes....you can get a FWD Legacy from late 1990 on or and Impreza from 1993 on. Or get an AWD non-turbo model 110-130 hp and a better candidate for a noob. Build the car and go. When it's time then add the AWD or the turbo. Basically everything bolts onto the Subes. You won't be wasting money on a car you don't want, nor will you be wasting money on a new STi that could go away with one misjudged corner. The 34 mm restrictor levels the playing field enough so here in the NW all the old Subes with EJ20s will be kickin the STi a bunch anyway.

 

Back to the Subes again...nothing is really any cheaper to build on a budget, nothing is really faster on the top levels. West coast wrecking yards are full of parts, Craig's list full of starter cars. Lots of Subes at events, lots of developement, JDM import motors and transmissions available. Lots of support, knowledge and performance options. Evo/Lancer/Colt/Gallants can all be candidates also, there may be some years better than others , I'm not a Mitsu guy...

 

I bought a good running turbo AWD Legacy at auction for $800. I bought an AWD Imp with a stuck trans for $600. One of our local RallyX kids got a '95 2.2 Imp AWD for $900 that ran, needed a little tinkering.

 

Any car...you'll spend a $2000 for a cage, $300 belts, $600 plus for seats, $800 upward on suspension or double those figure if you want. So the expense is in the basic prep, spend wisely.

 

Rally should be fun, the prize money sucks. It doesn't matter what Sprongls do in a Suzuki, or Derek Bottle in a Golf . Building a wierdy car that was the hot thing in Europe 20 years ago makes no sense either. Approach the sport with an open mind, two open eyes and don't expect more than to pi$$ off a bunch of money having the time of your life.

 

Golfs , Neons and Sentras all will work just fine, great cars but so will Sube and Mitsu. You will impress no one showing up in a new STi though. In the end you have only to answer to yourself, not the forums.

 

Now to the used scenario...be very careful ! Do not buy a used race car without a logbook, do not buy a used car without a scrutineer looking at it first. Watch for rust, weak frame rails, thin floors, illegal fuel cells, out of spec cages, poor repairs and on and on. Don't fall in love with a used rally car before you buy , too many pitfalls.

 

I apologize for the soapbox post....I got a late start on this one.

 

Feel free to call me or email if you like, I'll gladly try to help all I can.

 

Gene McCullough

RA NW region tech supervisor

NASA scrutineer

Olympus Chief Scrutineer

 

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mrmagic at olynet dot com

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mavrick211

good info i appriciate much

thats some of the info ive been looking for trying to figure out what cars have the best stuff so as to upgrade along the way

 

but i think your right about one thing if i trash my car because of a miss calculation its all for naught so i think ill start with some cheap fwd would like to use a subaru though so maybe when i upgrade to a awd car i can use some parts from my begginer car if i havnt torn it in two by that time

 

you had mentioned old subies with an EJ20 i am assuming thats a engine

does that engine come in a fwd non turbo model what would be the best subie fwd none turbo best year and model

 

im also pretty firm on biulding my own car now since i started reading postings on some other sites about cars they have gotten and the new rules that have been implimented withing the last few years i plan on adding extra safety features far beyond what is required

 

was down in oregon this morning by albany and saw a subie suv never seen one before looked kinda neat

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heymagic

Generally the 91-93 Legacy or the 93-95 Impreza are good affordable choices. The FWD cars can be converted to AWD with just bolt in parts, no hacking needed. Engines range from 1.8, 2.0, 2.0T, 2.2, 2.2T, 2.5, 2,5T, 110 hp up to about 300 hp ( 34 mm restrictors ), 5 spd or 6 spd, dog boxes available. 3.9 to 4.4 gears at the wrecking yard. You can start small and cheap and work your way up without having to sell and start over.

 

Things to consider on the way : http://www.oregontrailrally.com/ volunteer to work or just hang out and meet people. http://www.olympusrally.com/ same story... http://www.specialstage.com/ go to forums and then down to the Northwest. That's where most of us post. Lots of help to be had. Also Paul Eklund does a good local school http://www.get-primitive.com/ . A couple more local websites http://www.pacificrallygroup.com/ and http://www.northwestrally.com/

 

Good luck !!

 

Gene McCullough

Olympus Chief Scrutineer

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