truehondafan Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Hi guys, I just happen to run across this video. Can you guys tell if this guy is really that fast? It seems to me that lap time is faster then most of the H1 cars right? I am sure S2k is an H1, but this guy has full interior. Here's the link I am just curious. truehondafan Quote
6ghatch Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Hi guys, I just happen to run across this video. Can you guys tell if this guy is really that fast? It seems to me that lap time is faster then most of the H1 cars right? I am sure S2k is an H1, but this guy has full interior. Here's the link I am just curious. truehondafan With any racing series there are rules like spec tires, min. weight, limited engine prep, etc. Without knowing what this car has done to it you can't make any comparison. Quote
hagakure Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 that is a time attack car, not a HC car. the car is supercharged, and is set-up for Time attack tuner events, not road racing. Quote
truehondafan Posted June 25, 2007 Author Posted June 25, 2007 Thanks for the reply guys. At first, I thought he claimed to be stock motor full interior. But if he has a supercharger or much higher hps, I'll agree that lap time is accurate. Quote
slammed_93_hatch Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 IIRC the HC cars are running 3 or 5 seconds faster then that Quote
ghettoracer Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 nope, H1 lap record is right about 2:00 flat. don't think anyone break the 2 minute mark yet during race or qualifying. Andrie did go below 2:00 at the last time attack but it wasn't full H1 trim. looks like he did many 1:58's with best of 1:58.1x. he was probably little lighter than H1, not sure if used world challenge engine or what... new shocks and front brakes was also mentioned?! i'm think JRZ's and ?? brakes... http://prima-racing.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=82&Itemid=7&PHPSESSID=6c04af5a90221d81919b77f8b9abee7a the video says full interior and stock motor and i do believe it is correct. Rob is a good driver. he also drove the A&J S2000 (also all motor) to 1:56.773 in the last Nov/06 Primedia TA. in 05 he did a low 1:56.x in the same car... some of these results seems to suggest s2000 haven't shown their potential in H1 yet... Quote
Redstone Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 makes me wonder why im wasting my time building these fwd civic's when a semi stock s2000 is so fast. I agree with Frank, maybe some of the s2000's in HC havent shown their full potential yet. Quote
Andrie Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Don't look at H1 record on the honda challenge website. That hasn't been updated for a while. The current record for that config was set by Bernardo a couple weeks before the time attack in 159.xx range. I ran my car in the time attack weekend with full H1 trim with exception of weight. I was 65 lbs under weight. I also used Toyo RA1 which is about 1 sec slower than other tires that the time attack guys used. I've always believe that the S2K is still the car to beat in H1. It is just a much superior chassis, and now the F22C engine is also more potent than any K20 or K24. That being said, I don't know the exact spec on that particular S2K, and it might very well have more than H1 rule allows. Quote
msp282 Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 i am in the process of upgrading my car to closer to the limits, but i am carrying 500lbs more than a B20 civic....the B20 (and k20r and k24) are all making more wheel hp than any Honda Challenge legal S2000 can hope for. S2000's are pretty tweaked from the factory...header = 2hp, exhaust = 3hp, etc...... it just doesn't add up like modifying an Evo..haha even with 500lbs I am able to brake much better but powerwise I get walked by everything....my lap times are damn close but the way I get them is certainly goofy..... time will tell..... RWD FTW!!!! =I've always believe that the S2K is still the car to beat in H1. It is just a much superior chassis, and now the F22C engine is also more potent than any K20 or K24. That being said, I don't know the exact spec on that particular S2K, and it might very well have more than H1 rule allows. Quote
mikeski38 Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 nope, H1 lap record is right about 2:00 flat. don't think anyone break the 2 minute mark yet during race or qualifying. Andrie did go below 2:00 at the last time attack but it wasn't full H1 trim. looks like he did many 1:58's with best of 1:58.1x. he was probably little lighter than H1, not sure if used world challenge engine or what... new shocks and front brakes was also mentioned?! i'm think JRZ's and ?? brakes... JRZ's and the brakes are all H1 legal... Quote
msp282 Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 if the JRZ's are external reseviour then there is a 75lb weight penalty.... same with the brakes... BBK= weight penalty of 50-75lbs (i forget which). nope, H1 lap record is right about 2:00 flat. don't think anyone break the 2 minute mark yet during race or qualifying. Andrie did go below 2:00 at the last time attack but it wasn't full H1 trim. looks like he did many 1:58's with best of 1:58.1x. he was probably little lighter than H1, not sure if used world challenge engine or what... new shocks and front brakes was also mentioned?! i'm think JRZ's and ?? brakes... JRZ's and the brakes are all H1 legal... Quote
maxrev Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 The car belongs to the owner of Evasive Motorsports. Its a full interior street car with working AC as its used as a commuter / weekend track car. You can find the specs at the link below but few things have changed. Yes, it is still NA with unopened engine and stock ECU program. http://www.jtuned.com/content/templates/statics.aspx?articleid=493&zoneid=1 Changes Suspension: CRUX J's Racing Coilovers Wing: J's Type 2 Wing Wheels: CE28 with Nitto NT01 255/40/17 (F&R) I am not sure if the mods on this car is more then the H1 rules allow but I was able to dip into the 1:59s on my own S2000 (ULEV) with some suspension work, wheel & tires and a wing. http://maxrev.net/index.php?location=evasives2ktestday.htm Quote
slammed_93_hatch Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 if the JRZ's are external reseviour then there is a 75lb weight penalty.... same with the brakes... BBK= weight penalty of 50-75lbs (i forget which). nope, H1 lap record is right about 2:00 flat. don't think anyone break the 2 minute mark yet during race or qualifying. Andrie did go below 2:00 at the last time attack but it wasn't full H1 trim. looks like he did many 1:58's with best of 1:58.1x. he was probably little lighter than H1, not sure if used world challenge engine or what... new shocks and front brakes was also mentioned?! i'm think JRZ's and ?? brakes... brakes don't get you any weight on andrie's car. from the rules "9.3 H1 Hybrid Vehicles Only In addition to any unmodified part from any Honda or Acura model, market, or generation, the following components are unrestricted: • Brake Systems" and yes JRZ do get you 75lbs added. So that would mean that whatever andries H1 weight is he ran at 65lbs under it... JRZ's and the brakes are all H1 legal... Quote
msp282 Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 doh! I was only thinking of S2000's instead of all of H1. Sorry about that. Quote
Andrie Posted June 29, 2007 Posted June 29, 2007 Jimmy is correct. I was running 2490 lbs that day. One thing people forget, I also run Toyo RA1. While, no other time attack car using RA1. The tires make quite a big difference. Maybe Robert can enlighten us on what the weight of the car with driver. Just by looking, the only thing that would be illegal for H1 on tha S2K is the brakes. Like I said again and again, the S2K is very capable and still the car to beat IMNSHO Quote
ghettoracer Posted July 2, 2007 Posted July 2, 2007 if the JRZ's are external reseviour then there is a 75lb weight penalty.... same with the brakes... BBK= weight penalty of 50-75lbs (i forget which). nope, H1 lap record is right about 2:00 flat. don't think anyone break the 2 minute mark yet during race or qualifying. Andrie did go below 2:00 at the last time attack but it wasn't full H1 trim. looks like he did many 1:58's with best of 1:58.1x. he was probably little lighter than H1, not sure if used world challenge engine or what... new shocks and front brakes was also mentioned?! i'm think JRZ's and ?? brakes... brakes don't get you any weight on andrie's car. from the rules "9.3 H1 Hybrid Vehicles Only In addition to any unmodified part from any Honda or Acura model, market, or generation, the following components are unrestricted: • Brake Systems" and yes JRZ do get you 75lbs added. So that would mean that whatever andries H1 weight is he ran at 65lbs under it... JRZ's and the brakes are all H1 legal... i speculated on the setup Andrie ran, and he confirmed he was 65 lbs under H1 rules... meaning he wasn't in full legal H1 trim. case closed. since Time Attack allowed pretty much unlimited engines i'm not sure why he didn't used his WC engine setup or something... 1:58 with just 65 lbs underweight is still fast though. your statement of "IIRC the HC cars are running 3 or 5 seconds faster then that" was way off... that's all. Quote
GAC Posted July 2, 2007 Posted July 2, 2007 If I'm not mistaken that car has gone from a 4.10 rear end to a 4.44. Quote
truehondafan Posted July 11, 2007 Author Posted July 11, 2007 J's S2k is also using a wide body kit. Quote
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