Phenolic Spacers

[SMSP]

Are these legal for H1 cars?

 

http://www.outlawengineering.com/HondaB16AFrame.html

[civicrr]

No, they are not legal.

 

The regular engine rules states that:

9.1 q) Gaskets may be replaced with others so long as it does not violate any other rules contained herein.

 

The Hybrid rules make no mention of gaskets so there isn't any specific H1 gasket rules. They do say:

16.3 f) Throttle Bodies and Intake Manifolds are not considered part of the cylinder head and must be unmodified

Honda parts. Port matching is allowed but cannot be machined beyond 1 inch into the intake.

 

Since they are not expressly allowed in written text & they are not gaskets & ,even if you tried to stretch the rules, TB & IM are not open, these would not be legal on a H1 or any HC car.

[ITAIntegraLS]

No, they are not legal.

 

 

 

If its not why are some people running HONDATA IM gasket?

[SMSP]

No, they are not legal.

 

The regular engine rules states that:

9.1 q) Gaskets may be replaced with others so long as it does not violate any other rules contained herein.

 

The Hybrid rules make no mention of gaskets so there isn't any specific H1 gasket rules. They do say:

16.3 f) Throttle Bodies and Intake Manifolds are not considered part of the cylinder head and must be unmodified

Honda parts. Port matching is allowed but cannot be machined beyond 1 inch into the intake.

 

Since they are not expressly allowed in written text & they are not gaskets & ,even if you tried to stretch the rules, TB & IM are not open, these would not be legal on a H1 or any HC car.

 

Technically they do provide the sealing as the gasket. Many people run the Hondata gasket, this is just a different manufacturer.

[civicrr]

The Hondata gasket is a 'insulating gasket' that replaces the oem one. It is one complete unit.

 

The Outlaw Engineering is a spacer & a seperate gasket. According to the text on the webpage the kit includes, "Includes intake manifold spacer, throttle body spacer, IAC spacer, gaskets, installation kit, bypass fitting, detailed instructions and OUTLAW ENGINEERING decals!"

 

Again, the HC rules say this:

 

The regular engine rules states that:

9.1 q) Gaskets may be replaced with others so long as it does not violate any other rules contained herein.

 

It doesn't say you can also add a spacer.

 

P.S. I have emailed Ryan on this thread. If he disagrees with me, as the National Director, I am sure he will chime in.

Edited September 9, 2004 by Guest

[vapor]

if you look at a stock honda s2000 intake manifold gasket, it's metal and very thin, the hondata gasket is thicker (whether you want to call it a spacer or not, it's a thicker gasket)

[civicrr]

rules don't say the gasket can't be thicker. they say the gasket can be replaced.

[civicrr]

Ryan & I have discussed this. We will need to consult the other HC Regional Group leader to get a consensus. We hope to have this answered by early next week.

[ITAIntegraLS]

Even tought they dont make Crap for my car Id like to know as i can custom fabricate one with water jet cutter. More turgue here i come.

[SMSP]

The Hondata gasket is a 'insulating gasket' that replaces the oem one. It is one complete unit.

 

The Outlaw Engineering is a spacer & a seperate gasket. According to the text on the webpage the kit includes, "Includes intake manifold spacer, throttle body spacer, IAC spacer, gaskets, installation kit, bypass fitting, detailed instructions and OUTLAW ENGINEERING decals!"

 

My whole reason of asking this question was due to the wide spread use of the Hondata gasket (which I have no problem with). My own thoughts were are these phenolic ones better? I personally used to run these on my Weber side drafts for my GT4 car car and I never used gaskets with them, only Hondabond. So in that use they were gaskets. If they are deemed legal then I'll use Hondabond to seal them.

 

If the rules allowed the gaskets to be open, i.e. Cometic for the heads then it will be hard to police the type of intake manifold gasket used. It seems to me that either the oem gasket or equivalent should be allowed or any substitute. This would allow the Hondata, or the Outlaw engineering one or any other custom piece. It doesn't matter to me,as long everyone is playing to the same rules. However, I don't think that only one aftermarket gasket (like the Hondata one) should be allowed either while cutting out other companies.

[SMSP]

Ryan & I have discussed this. We will need to consult the other HC Regional Group leader to get a consensus. We hope to have this answered by early next week.

 

By chance, any news yet?

[civicrr]

Whoops! I did talk to Ryan. We needed to get in contact with the other regions &....I dropped the ball.

 

I just picked it up again.

[civicrr]

...basically, phenolic spacers will be allowed. Look for a rule update soon.

Edited October 10, 2004 by Guest

[SMSP]

...basically, phenolic spacers will be allowed. Look for a up rule update soon.

 

Thanks for clearing it up.

[civicrr]

has been taken care of. check the 'updates'.

[FF lotus]

well since were all in a good mood how bout allowing Skunk2 IM's for D series cars in h1 ?

 

my mommy said there is no harm in asking

[civicrr]

It definitely doesn't hurt to ask.

 

We (rules commitee) has been asked for it before. Didn't happen then. Doubt it will happen now. Not trying to be harsh. I am trying to be upfront.