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Hi Jim,

 

I just ran through the calculator for my ITA/PS RX-7. It came up with a base class of TTG and a final class of TTF (with +25 points). Does that sound reasonable?

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started in tte and finished in TTC.

 

Well, yeah, you have all those swoopty mods on your car!

 

What surprised me is that my pokey little Civic SOHC VTEC hatch went up at all (from F to E) and I don't think I've really done anything to it. Aside from driving impressions, I guess the improvements are more important than I realized...

 

I'll be in HPDE3 at Infineon this wkend, see you there?

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naw i didn't get signed up earlier enough, so i couldn't make the group 3. Im trying to get my scheudle set so that i can go watch though, on saturday.

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You can find the results for SoCal TT for 2004 on our website at http://www.socal.nasa-tt.com

NorCal TT results are on the MyLaps.com website at http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevents.jsp?st=3&org=4031

 

Our SoCal results for Las Vegas this past weekend aren't posted yet.

 

Greg G.

NASA SoCal TT Director

NASA Spec SRT Series Director

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You can find the results for SoCal TT for 2004 on our website at http://www.socal.nasa-tt.com

NorCal TT results are on the MyLaps.com website at http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevents.jsp?st=3&org=4031

 

Our SoCal results for Las Vegas this past weekend aren't posted yet.

 

Greg G.

NASA SoCal TT Director

NASA Spec SRT Series Director

[email protected]

Thank you... kinda curious how I would fare against other TTD folk.

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I started in TTF and ended in TTD as well, again with a gutted swapped CRX.

 

I as well as several other guys out here in AZ are looking to get into this in the near future. What kind of guarantee do we have this won't turn into an astronomically expensive 'race' group meant to be the bridge between race group and HPDE? I mean that's what it is right? I may be wrong, but this looks like a lot of fun, and I really want to do it.

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I as well as several other guys out here in AZ are looking to get into this in the near future. What kind of guarantee do we have this won't turn into an astronomically expensive 'race' group meant to be the bridge between race group and HPDE? I mean that's what it is right? I may be wrong, but this looks like a lot of fun, and I really want to do it.

 

I'm not sure how to answer this. No, TT is not a race group, but yes it is timed.

 

TT was originally intended to be a bridge from HPDE to Racing (but not necessarily in the same car).

 

The formula for TT (NASA-X) has been in use for sometime and doesn't look like it created "astronomical" expenses. I only really see this as a problem in TTA since there's no cap. The rest of the classes should be competitive and inexpensive... chances are you won't change your car at all for the class.

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I started in TTF and ended in TTD as well, again with a gutted swapped CRX.

 

I as well as several other guys out here in AZ are looking to get into this in the near future. What kind of guarantee do we have this won't turn into an astronomically expensive 'race' group meant to be the bridge between race group and HPDE? I mean that's what it is right? I may be wrong, but this looks like a lot of fun, and I really want to do it.

 

One of the great things about NASA TT and the classification system is that it can be as inexpensive or as expensive as a driver wants it to be. It all depends on what your goals are. If you want to become the TTA champion, it's not going to be cheap competing in an "unlimited" car for 16-18 event days, paying for the upkeep and maintanence on a car that retails for anywhere from $45,000 to $150,000. However, if you want to just come out and have fun for a few weekends, the cost is no more than HPDE 4 (unless you have to pay $30 a weekend to rent a transponder). Between these two examples lies the reality for most of our drivers. In general, the higher up the classification structure you go, the more it's going to cost, but not necessarily much more. As Jim stated, the big jump in cost can occur when going into TTA. The classification structure limits a "wallet race" for the win, because if you spend too much money on modifications, you will undoubtedly bump yourself up to the bottom of the next higher class. If one is serious about competing, and hasn't maxed out the use of modification points in a given class, then it would be advantageous to do so (which may cost some money--however, some mods don't cost anything--like some weight savings). With that being said, our TTB, TTC, TTD, and TTF champions from this year all still had between 2 and 6 unused modification points before they would have bumped up a class.

 

The biggest potential costs for a TTD driver trying to win a championship (other than the usual costs of hotels, travel costs, registration fees, and gasoline, that every HPDE driver has as well) would be tires, brakes, and fixing anything that breaks. These costs can be mitigated by good tire management, choosing appropriate brake pad compounds, and driving a car that costs less to fix or is more reliable. When looking at an annual budget for a driver that wants to compete in almost every event, the cost of modifications turns out to be a small percentage.

 

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Thinking about competing in the TT series next year. I don't know how to classify my car. It is a Birkin S-3 (a Lotus Super 7 clone). It has been built to ES (enduro racing) spec. I noticed that Factory Five's were TTB. At Reno-Fernley I raced in the same group with them and ran about the same lap times as their fastest cars.

 

Cheers,

 

Dave

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If it was never street legal, it would probably actually fall into the "I" class--"small bore race car class. Open wheel and never street legal cars." However, since there isn't really anybody that I know of running TT in that class, if you were in SoCal, I would put you in TTB or TTA, depending on your average track times. Sounds like TTB might be the right spot, though. You will have to discuss this with your regional TT director (sounds like NorCal, but if it's SoCal, send me an e-mail). NorCal's TT director has stepped down because his racing team is going to run in the Speed World Challenge this year. I'm not sure if Jerry has appointed a new director yet, so send the e-mail to him if you are in the NorCal region. Welcome to TT.

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Greg,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

Actually the car started life as a street-legal Super 7. I just prepped it for racing in the enduro series.

 

Hopefully, NorCal will get a director soon.

 

Cheers,

 

Dave

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