NASA Jim Posted October 15, 2004 Posted October 15, 2004 I just put up an automatic calculator to make figuring out your class a little easier. http://nasa-tt.com/rules.php Lemme know how it works for you. Quote
CaptainWho Posted October 15, 2004 Posted October 15, 2004 Hi Jim, I just ran through the calculator for my ITA/PS RX-7. It came up with a base class of TTG and a final class of TTF (with +25 points). Does that sound reasonable? Quote
NASA Jim Posted October 15, 2004 Author Posted October 15, 2004 That sounds right. I forgot to say you can cross check manually with http://www.nasa-tt.com/rules.html One thing I've noticed is that there's no account for roll bars or cages. I think that makes a lot more difference in road racing that autocross. Quote
zuperdave Posted October 16, 2004 Posted October 16, 2004 Nice to be able to do this on-line instead of having to do the math! Very nice, thanks! See you out there in a few months ! Quote
slammed_93_hatch Posted October 18, 2004 Posted October 18, 2004 started in tte and finished in TTC. Quote
zuperdave Posted October 18, 2004 Posted October 18, 2004 started in tte and finished in TTC. Well, yeah, you have all those swoopty mods on your car! What surprised me is that my pokey little Civic SOHC VTEC hatch went up at all (from F to E) and I don't think I've really done anything to it. Aside from driving impressions, I guess the improvements are more important than I realized... I'll be in HPDE3 at Infineon this wkend, see you there? Quote
slammed_93_hatch Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 naw i didn't get signed up earlier enough, so i couldn't make the group 3. Im trying to get my scheudle set so that i can go watch though, on saturday. Quote
Jimmypetm3 Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 Wow,,, that is fantastic. Nice job. Now all we need is to get NASA Time Trials in the Northeast. Very nice. Cheers jimmy p. Quote
Driven Posted November 7, 2004 Posted November 7, 2004 Started in TTH, ended up in TTD. basically, GSR engine in a gutted CRX HF. Is there a place to find results from past events? Quote
National Staff Greg G. Posted November 8, 2004 National Staff Posted November 8, 2004 You can find the results for SoCal TT for 2004 on our website at http://www.socal.nasa-tt.com NorCal TT results are on the MyLaps.com website at http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevents.jsp?st=3&org=4031 Our SoCal results for Las Vegas this past weekend aren't posted yet. Greg G. NASA SoCal TT Director NASA Spec SRT Series Director [email protected] Quote
Driven Posted November 8, 2004 Posted November 8, 2004 You can find the results for SoCal TT for 2004 on our website at http://www.socal.nasa-tt.comNorCal TT results are on the MyLaps.com website at http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevents.jsp?st=3&org=4031 Our SoCal results for Las Vegas this past weekend aren't posted yet. Greg G. NASA SoCal TT Director NASA Spec SRT Series Director [email protected] Thank you... kinda curious how I would fare against other TTD folk. Quote
PSUCRX Posted November 19, 2004 Posted November 19, 2004 I started in TTF and ended in TTD as well, again with a gutted swapped CRX. I as well as several other guys out here in AZ are looking to get into this in the near future. What kind of guarantee do we have this won't turn into an astronomically expensive 'race' group meant to be the bridge between race group and HPDE? I mean that's what it is right? I may be wrong, but this looks like a lot of fun, and I really want to do it. Quote
NASA Jim Posted November 19, 2004 Author Posted November 19, 2004 I as well as several other guys out here in AZ are looking to get into this in the near future. What kind of guarantee do we have this won't turn into an astronomically expensive 'race' group meant to be the bridge between race group and HPDE? I mean that's what it is right? I may be wrong, but this looks like a lot of fun, and I really want to do it. I'm not sure how to answer this. No, TT is not a race group, but yes it is timed. TT was originally intended to be a bridge from HPDE to Racing (but not necessarily in the same car). The formula for TT (NASA-X) has been in use for sometime and doesn't look like it created "astronomical" expenses. I only really see this as a problem in TTA since there's no cap. The rest of the classes should be competitive and inexpensive... chances are you won't change your car at all for the class. Quote
National Staff Greg G. Posted November 20, 2004 National Staff Posted November 20, 2004 I started in TTF and ended in TTD as well, again with a gutted swapped CRX. I as well as several other guys out here in AZ are looking to get into this in the near future. What kind of guarantee do we have this won't turn into an astronomically expensive 'race' group meant to be the bridge between race group and HPDE? I mean that's what it is right? I may be wrong, but this looks like a lot of fun, and I really want to do it. One of the great things about NASA TT and the classification system is that it can be as inexpensive or as expensive as a driver wants it to be. It all depends on what your goals are. If you want to become the TTA champion, it's not going to be cheap competing in an "unlimited" car for 16-18 event days, paying for the upkeep and maintanence on a car that retails for anywhere from $45,000 to $150,000. However, if you want to just come out and have fun for a few weekends, the cost is no more than HPDE 4 (unless you have to pay $30 a weekend to rent a transponder). Between these two examples lies the reality for most of our drivers. In general, the higher up the classification structure you go, the more it's going to cost, but not necessarily much more. As Jim stated, the big jump in cost can occur when going into TTA. The classification structure limits a "wallet race" for the win, because if you spend too much money on modifications, you will undoubtedly bump yourself up to the bottom of the next higher class. If one is serious about competing, and hasn't maxed out the use of modification points in a given class, then it would be advantageous to do so (which may cost some money--however, some mods don't cost anything--like some weight savings). With that being said, our TTB, TTC, TTD, and TTF champions from this year all still had between 2 and 6 unused modification points before they would have bumped up a class. The biggest potential costs for a TTD driver trying to win a championship (other than the usual costs of hotels, travel costs, registration fees, and gasoline, that every HPDE driver has as well) would be tires, brakes, and fixing anything that breaks. These costs can be mitigated by good tire management, choosing appropriate brake pad compounds, and driving a car that costs less to fix or is more reliable. When looking at an annual budget for a driver that wants to compete in almost every event, the cost of modifications turns out to be a small percentage. [email protected] Quote
ftrdave Posted December 27, 2004 Posted December 27, 2004 Thinking about competing in the TT series next year. I don't know how to classify my car. It is a Birkin S-3 (a Lotus Super 7 clone). It has been built to ES (enduro racing) spec. I noticed that Factory Five's were TTB. At Reno-Fernley I raced in the same group with them and ran about the same lap times as their fastest cars. Cheers, Dave Quote
National Staff Greg G. Posted December 27, 2004 National Staff Posted December 27, 2004 If it was never street legal, it would probably actually fall into the "I" class--"small bore race car class. Open wheel and never street legal cars." However, since there isn't really anybody that I know of running TT in that class, if you were in SoCal, I would put you in TTB or TTA, depending on your average track times. Sounds like TTB might be the right spot, though. You will have to discuss this with your regional TT director (sounds like NorCal, but if it's SoCal, send me an e-mail). NorCal's TT director has stepped down because his racing team is going to run in the Speed World Challenge this year. I'm not sure if Jerry has appointed a new director yet, so send the e-mail to him if you are in the NorCal region. Welcome to TT. Quote
ftrdave Posted December 27, 2004 Posted December 27, 2004 Greg, Thanks for the reply. Actually the car started life as a street-legal Super 7. I just prepped it for racing in the enduro series. Hopefully, NorCal will get a director soon. Cheers, Dave Quote
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