JoshC Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 It looks like both are in group D. A while back there was some talk about running one race on Saturday and the other on Sunday so we could supersize. Has that been ruled out at this point? It doesn't appear to be an option in registration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpanther Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 It is possible that ST and STR can be placed in separate groups. There is no supersize option for STR as there really isn't another class except SU that can supersize to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 There are several of us out here in California that are eligible for ST2 and STR2. How many cars do we need before it would be interesting enough to separate the classes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpanther Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 There are several of us out here in California that are eligible for ST2 and STR2. How many cars do we need before it would be interesting enough to separate the classes? Really the only place to put the other class as of right now is with PTD-PTF. How many can you make it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I'd prefer to not get run over every 4th lap by those guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 Really the only place to put the other class as of right now is with PTD-PTF. How many can you make it? 4 would be the minimum and 8 would probably be the realistic max from our group. Not sure what the rest of the country can produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpanther Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 We are looking at some different options that may make this possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshC Posted June 3, 2009 Author Share Posted June 3, 2009 We are looking at some different options that may make this possible. Very cool. Thank you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan0 Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 If I could make it i'd be interested. I was told any car eligible for ST can run its STR equivalent... correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted June 5, 2009 National Staff Share Posted June 5, 2009 Yes, that is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L98Terror Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I might be interested are there any fast STR2 cars out there? On this side of the country they seem to run 4 seconds or slower per lap than ST2 cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bueller Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Yes, that is correct. I dont get it Greg. I thought the whole point of STR was to provide a series for tube-frame cars? So how does it work? I can run both in ST2 and STR2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted July 10, 2009 National Staff Share Posted July 10, 2009 STR is basically ST, but with open chassis mods, and none of modification factors listed in Section 8 of the Super Touring Rules. So, any car that is legal for ST, would also be legal for STR. However, it clearly doesn't work in the other direction. Every car legal for STR is not legal for ST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bueller Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Looking at the current entry list for Nationals, it sucks to think ST2 is losing a few cars to STR2. Beyond that, hope this new class doesnt take away the ST2 regional competition and split it into 2 groups (ST2 and STR2). Hope it works out for Nationals and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted July 10, 2009 National Staff Share Posted July 10, 2009 Actually, it looks to me like the STR cars that are listed that are eligible for ST actually Supersized and are running in both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bueller Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Actually, it looks to me like the STR cars that are listed that are eligible for ST actually Supersized and are running in both. Maybe im seeing things. I only see 3 names for STR2, and the only name i see that appears to be supersizing is Josh. The other 2 appear to only be running in STR2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L98Terror Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Looking at the current entry list for Nationals, it sucks to think ST2 is losing a few cars to STR2. Beyond that, hope this new class doesnt take away the ST2 regional competition and split it into 2 groups (ST2 and STR2). Hope it works out for Nationals and beyond. Actually what has happen in Great Lakes and Mid West is it has split the field and in some cases we had 2 & 2 so totally missing car count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan0 Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Looking at the current entry list for Nationals, it sucks to think ST2 is losing a few cars to STR2. Beyond that, hope this new class doesnt take away the ST2 regional competition and split it into 2 groups (ST2 and STR2). Hope it works out for Nationals and beyond. Actually what has happen in Great Lakes and Mid West is it has split the field and in some cases we had 2 & 2 so totally missing car count. what is should do is balance cars into classes of at least 3 each... 4 free hoosiers > 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L98Terror Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 (edited) Looking at the current entry list for Nationals, it sucks to think ST2 is losing a few cars to STR2. Beyond that, hope this new class doesnt take away the ST2 regional competition and split it into 2 groups (ST2 and STR2). Hope it works out for Nationals and beyond. Actually what has happen in Great Lakes and Mid West is it has split the field and in some cases we had 2 & 2 so totally missing car count. what is should do is balance cars into classes of at least 3 each... 4 free hoosiers > 2. Still not sure what the point of making a STR2/1 class was I hope it works other places around the country. In the midwest/Graet lake it just hurts car counts Edited July 25, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bueller Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Actually what has happen in Great Lakes and Mid West is it has split the field and in some cases we had 2 & 2 so totally missing car count. what is should do is balance cars into classes of at least 3 each... 4 free hoosiers > 2. No kidding but what has happened is the slow cars run with STR2 in the slow run group and we lost car counts. actually you mean zero hoosiers. Still not sure what the point of making a STR2/1 class was I hope it works other places around the country. In the midwest/Graet lake it just hurts car counts What a bummer for you guys. In Socal, during our May Big Willow races, 3 people raced in STR2 instead of ST2. We had 6 in ST2, so it didnt really hurt us, but anytime you lose cars to another class it basically sucks. It would have obviously been more fun if everyone just ran in ST2. Im concerned that our field of ST2 cars might get even more split next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted July 20, 2009 National Staff Share Posted July 20, 2009 No kidding but what has happened is the slow cars run with STR2 in the slow run group and we lost car counts. actually you mean zero hoosiers. Still not sure what the point of making a STR2/1 class was I hope it works other places around the country. In the midwest/Graet lake it just hurts car counts Ken, the report from the Regional Directors was that there were "hundreds" of drivers out there that wanted to race with NASA, but did not have a class except for Super Unlimited due to their tube-frame cars. We did not want to just pile fully developed and purpose-built tube-frame cars into your ST classes with a modification factor because our data showed that the modification factor to equalize things would be anywhere from -1.7 to -0.2, depending on the car (and we would have had to choose a single number). If we went with the high number, only the few cars competitive would want to play. If we went with a lower number, production car racers would likely complain. So, we went with the new classes. The new classes also gave you and others a chance to race twice at the Championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L98Terror Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 No kidding but what has happened is the slow cars run with STR2 in the slow run group and we lost car counts. actually you mean zero hoosiers. Still not sure what the point of making a STR2/1 class was I hope it works other places around the country. In the midwest/Graet lake it just hurts car counts Ken, the report from the Regional Directors was that there were "hundreds" of drivers out there that wanted to race with NASA, but did not have a class except for Super Unlimited due to their tube-frame cars. We did not want to just pile fully developed and purpose-built tube-frame cars into your ST classes with a modification factor because our data showed that the modification factor to equalize things would be anywhere from -1.7 to -0.2, depending on the car (and we would have had to choose a single number). If we went with the high number, only the few cars competitive would want to play. If we went with a lower number, production car racers would likely complain. So, we went with the new classes. The new classes also gave you and others a chance to race twice at the Championships. I did notice that which is cool it would be cooler if STR & ST were on different days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpanther Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weed Wacker Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 We *should* have 7 cars in STR2 at blackhawk. No chance on any of them being fast though, still all painfully stock motors and no fancy prep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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