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2010 Enduro Ruleset - looks like big classing changes


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ES

AIX NASA

AM BMW CCA

ASC NASA

BM BMW CCA

EF BMW CCA

EM BMW CCA

GS1 Grand Am 2003 or earlier

GT1 SCCA

GT2 SCCA

GTA SCCA

GTS4 NASA

GTS5 NASA

PRC (all) NASA

SGS Grand Am

SM BMW CCA

SP SCCA

ST1 NASA Super Touring

SU NASA

T1 SCCA

Trans Am SCCA

VVC1 NASA

VVC2 NASA

VVCX NASA

WCGT SCCA World Challenge GT

 

E0:

AI NASA

AS SCCA American Sedan

CM BMW CCA Formerly ES

DM BMW CCA Formerly ES

EP SCCA Formerly ES On DOT tires; otherwise ES

FP SCCA On DOT tires; otherwise ES

GS Grand Am 2004 rules and later

GS2 Grand Am 2003 or earlier

GT3 SCCA Formerly ES

GTS3 NASA

HC1 NASA

HP BMW CCA Formerly ES

IP BMW CCA

PRC-GTS NASA new classing for 2010

PTA NASA Formerly ES Tires used determine PT tire points assessment

PTB NASA Tires used determine PT tire points assessment

SRX NASA Nissan SE-R Cup - Extreme

ST Grand Am

ST2 NASA Formerly ES

T2 SCCA

WCT SCCA World Challenge Formerly ES

 

 

E1:

CMC2 NASA Formerly E0

FFR NASA Formerly E0

GP SCCA On DOT tires; otherwise ES

GT4 SCCA Formerly E0 On DOT tires; otherwise ES

GT5 SCCA On DOT tires; otherwise ES

GTS2 NASA

HC2 NASA

HS BMW CCA Formerly E0

IS BMW CCA Formerly E0

ITR SCCA Formerly E0

JP BMW CCA Formerly E0

KP BMW CCA

MX5 Cup SCCA

PS0 NASA

PTC NASA Tires used determine PT tire points assessment

RS SCCA Cal Club Formerly E0

Spc Boxter PCA

Spc Boxter POC

Spec E36 NASA Formerly E0

Spec E36 BMC CCA Formerly E0

SR POC Boxster Formerly E0

T3 SCCA

USTCC NASA Formerly E0

 

E2:

CMC NASA Formerly E1

CS NASA MINI Challenge-CS

GTS1 NASA

HC3 NASA Formerly E1

ITS SCCA Formerly E1

JS BMW CCA Formerly E1

KS BMW CCA

Legends INEX Formerly E3 Must use spec tires & 5 gal tank

LP BMW CCA Formerly E1

MP BMW CCA

PS1 NASA

PTD NASA Formerly E1 Tires used determine PT tire points assessment

TR INEX Formerly E3 Thunder Roadster (w/ OEM fuel tank)

 

E3

944-Spec NASA Formerly E2

C NASA MINI Challenge-C

GTI Cup NASA

HC4 NASA Formerly E2

HC5 NASA

HP SCCA Formerly E2 On DOT tires; otherwise ES

ITA SCCA Formerly E2

ITB SCCA

ITC SCCA

LS BMW CCA

MS BMW CCA

NC SCCA Neon Cup Formerly E2

PCTCC NASA Formerly E2

Pro7 NASA

PS2 NASA

PS3 NASA

PS7 NASA

PTE NASA Formerly E2 Tires used determine PT tire points assessment

PTF NASA Formerly E2 Tires used determine PT tire points assessment

SER NASA Formerly E2 Nissan SE-R Cup

SF NASA Formerly E2 Spec Focus

SM NASA/SCCA Formerly E2 Spec Miata

SN NASA Formerly E2 Spec Neon

Spec E30 NASA Formerly E2

Spec7 SCCA Formerly E2

SSB SCCA Formerly E2

SSC SCCA

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why did USTCC get moved back to E1???

 

 

 

The power to weight ratio for the cars are much much much much more along the lines of H1, GA ST, etc...

 

Looks like they are trying to make E3 a class again...

 

I've said it before but IMO, all of the "pro series" cars, USTCC, Grand Am, World Challenge, should all be in ES.

 

The rules and "target speed" are always changing.

 

Look at WC, and the crazy weird new classing they have.

 

WC TC are now ~5 seconds slower then previous. They are along the lines of T3 cars.

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Some of it seems kind of arbitrary. For example, ITA got moved to E3, but none of the GTS classes changed.

 

A pro built 1.8 ITA Miata will put about 130 to the ground, at 2380 lbs. That works out to about 18 lbs per HP, which if it was a BMW E30 instead of a Miata fits in GTS2.

 

GTS2 is mapped two classes higher in E1.

 

Why are all the numerous "retired" NASA classes still in there?

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imho ITA is an overdog for the new E3, but that appeal fell on deaf ears Its about 2-4 seconds a lap clear of the rest of the field.

 

GTS in general is a VERY open ruleset, I'm not sure I'd try and compare IT, PT, etc classings to it. There is more to laptimes than simply horsepower to weight ratios.

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GTS in general is a VERY open ruleset, I'm not sure I'd try and compare IT, PT, etc classings to it. There is more to laptimes than simply horsepower to weight ratios.

 

OK, then why did STS2 move down to E0? It is just as open, but can have an “Adjusted” wt/hp ratio up to 8.70:1 8.7 to 1 is roughly equivalent to GTS4, which is ES.

 

Maybe I am wrong, looking at lap times from the last 2 NASA nationals. Keep in mind that the Honda Challenge times would be a little faster as they are not limited to Toyos in an enduro.

 

Times at Mid-Ohio form the 2008 nationals, plus the SCCA regional track records.

E3

Spec Miata Mazda Miata 1994 01:43.0

PTE Nissan Sentra SE-R 1992 01:43.7

ITA 1:42.939 regional track record

 

E2

GTS1 Porsche 924S 1988 01:43.6

CMC chevrolet camaro 1995 01:43.6

PTD nissan 240z 1972 01:42.9

ITS 1:42.588 regional track record

 

E1

GTS2 Porsche 944 1985 01:40.2

Honda Chal 2 acura type R 1995 01:42.3

Factory Five Challenge 01:40.2

PTC Dodge Neon SRT4 2004 01:40.9

 

E0

GTS3 BMW M3 1997 01:35.6

Honda Chal 1 Acura TL 2007 01:38.2

PTA BMW M3 1995 01:36.5

Super Touring 2 Chevrolet Corvette 2003 01:33.8

American Iron Ford Mustang 2005 01:37.3

EP 1:37.054 E-Prod, regional track record, assumed on slicks which would put it in ES

 

Times at Miller from the 2009 Nationals

 

E3

Spec Miata 2:18.9

PTE 2:18.736

 

E2

GTS1 2:18.923

CMC 2:18.911

PTD 2:17.857

 

E1

GTS2 2:15.470

Honda Chal 2 2:15.493

Factory Five Challenge 2:12.361

PTC 2:12.226

 

E0

GTS3 2:08.637

Honda Chal 1 2:10.957

PTA 2:07.019

Super Touring 2 2:06.025

American Iron 2:08.728

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Keep in mind enduro classing is done based on car/ruleset potential, not last yaers laptimes.

 

The 924S that won GTS-1 this year was a Spec car on DOT's, and no where near what a GTS-1 cars potential is. It won becuase no one built/brought a more fully developed GTS-1 car, and it was driven well.

 

I don't believe ST allows a partial tube frame chassis with completely custom suspension pick up points, unlimited aero mods, etc. Nothing is as wide open as GTS rules.

 

There is more than meets the eye in enduro classing.

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you don't know ST classing very well - its just as wide open as what you described.

 

I'm seeing alot more inconsistencies the more I look at these changes...

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