gq4life Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 New to racing. Going to register for Doing HPDE 1 going to register next pay check. I now have a 2010 Camaro SS brand new hasnt had its first oil change. Unlike my last car this car hasnt been driven hard yet I dont know how well the stock brake pads are. Anyone experience with these on the track. Should I order some Hawk HP Plus Brake Pads (dont want to go too tracky its my daily driver) ? Car has 4-piston Brembo brakes at all four corners, 14.0-in. rotors up front and 14.4s at the rear only magazine article I could find on track test about brakes was Inside line (edmunds) they said they had no brake fade. Thank You in advance for any help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbow Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 So, which track are you going to????? The Camaro is heavy so you may need to change the pads if you are going to a track with a lot of braking like CMP. You probably will want to buy HPDE insurance in case an incident happens at the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
non-ricer Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Do u have dot4 fluid? If not I would replace with motul rbf600 or ate superblue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 I'd still have some good performance oriented pads and high temp fluid - I treat brakes as safety equipment. Won't need to use the seatbelts if the car stops in time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obzezzed350 Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Definately pick up a set of mild track pads, your stock pads wont make it though the day with a heavy car. Put in some high temp fluid like Motul or something and you are all set. You're gonna have a blast!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 A 6month old car, your first time out, I would: Torque the lugnuts Set tires to factory spec air pressure Have fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 A 6month old car, your first time out, I would: Torque the lugnuts Set tires to factory spec air pressure Have fun something with a higher hp/weight ratio I'd agree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 ...I now have a 2010 Camaro SS ...Car has 4-piston Brembo brakes at all four corners... You might want to remove the stick-on wheel weights from your brake calipers, as the tape probably won't cope with the caliper heat and the weights will become FOD at that point. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Put in some high temp fluid like Motul or something and you are all set. Even for my own TT use, I have never used anything fancier than $7/quart Valvoline synthetic fluid from Advance Auto Parts, and I don't think that anything fancier is needed for first-time HPDE-1 use. Even worse by comparison, the 2008 and 2009 Factory Five Roadster national champion uses the $3/bottle stuff from WallyMart. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Put in some high temp fluid like Motul or something and you are all set. Even for my own TT use, I have never used anything fancier than $7/quart Valvoline synthetic fluid from Advance Auto Parts, and I don't think that anything fancier is needed for first-time HPDE-1 use. Even worse by comparison, the 2008 and 2009 Factory Five Roadster national champion uses the $3/bottle stuff from WallyMart. Mark thats dumb, but not unexpected (see brakes as safety equipment comment above) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 thats dumb, but not unexpected (see brakes as safety equipment comment above) Well, that's your opinion, and you know what they say about those. But, recommending $20/pint Motul for first-time HPDE-1 use is, in my opinion, massive overkill and a waste of money. Also dumb is a TTF car that uses anything besides tap water for brake fluid, as it probably weighs 1800 lbs and can't go over 35 mph, so it doesn't need to stop. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 as heavy and as powerful as that thing is compared to most other cars, driven by a newbie that probably knows how to use the loud pedal but not the whoa pedal and will probably overbrake and overwork the brakes... again, opinion. Walls aren't fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 With what seems to be a respectful newbie at the wheel and a typical, knowledgeable instructor riding shotgun, I doubt that this car will be overdriven on its first HPDE-1 weekend. I agree that walls are not fun, as I have had un-fun before (and it had nothing to do with brake fluid). Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucid Moments Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I agree with both of you. Mark is right that it probably will not be needed. But even at $20 a pint its pretty cheap insurance. If nothing else once he gets that done it will be one less thing he has to worry about at the track. And one less thing to worry about can be important for a first timer at the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperkins Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I can't believe any of you are recommending brake upgrades to a new guy that probably still has the saran wrap on the floor mats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 New cars are immune from brake fade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguydave Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I can't believe any of you are recommending brake upgrades to a new guy that probably still has the saran wrap on the floor mats. I had two students with heavier cars at two different tracks consume complete sets of OE brake pads in less than a day and a half. It's no fun telling your student that they really need to just park the car after they hit metal-to-metal. One of them was REALLY starting to grok the whole business, too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMan Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I agree. Gut the car for a cage immediately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 My 2004 Mustang GT consumed a set of 75%-new OEM rear pads in 6 HPDE-1 sessions. I had already upgraded the front pads to Carbotech XP-10s, so they weren't a problem. Non-stock pads are probably a good idea for a 2-day HPDE weekend. Just don't forget to remove the wheel weights from the calipers... Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Why would there be wheel weights on the calipers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Why would there be wheel weights on the calipers? There was apparently an NVH issue with the Brembo calipers on the Camaros, so the addition of mass to the calipers apparently solved it, as cheesy as it seems. There is a thread about this at Corner-Carvers.com (you may need to be a member and/or logged in to see this): http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40839 Photo: Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 That's a factory fix?!?!?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 That's a factory fix?!?!?? Unfortunately, apparently so. A quote from a quote: Several early owners of new 2010 Camaro SS have noticed oddly looking weights on their Brembo Brake calipers. The weights look very similar to the ones put on the inside of your wheel to balance it out. Questions about these weights have circulated through the Camaro forums over the past week and finally General Motors has given an official answer. Basically in a nutshell the weights are present to reduce noise during certain driving conditions. John Fitzpatrick, GM's Marketing manager for the new camaro gives the official statement saying "Some early Camaro customers noticed that there are weights on the Camaro SS calipers. With high-performance vehicles like the Camaro SS, minor brake noise is not uncommon. The weights act as a damper to reduce noise in certain driving conditions. This was done after careful evaluation and validation by our engineering team. These weights will only be added to early builds of the Camaro SS." GM has remedied the situation on all new SS models being produced with no further issues. Source: Camaro5.com Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasaregistrar Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Put in some high temp fluid like Motul or something and you are all set. Even for my own TT use, I have never used anything fancier than $7/quart Valvoline synthetic fluid from Advance Auto Parts, and I don't think that anything fancier is needed for first-time HPDE-1 use. Even worse by comparison, the 2008 and 2009 Factory Five Roadster national champion uses the $3/bottle stuff from WallyMart. Mark My brake temps in the E30 were 980 degrees after pitting in and temp taken on pit road at VIR last weekend. On the brakes they can be about 200 degrees higher. I bet they are higher in July as well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 My brake temps in the E30 were 980 degrees after pitting in and temp taken on pit road at VIR last weekend. On the brakes they can be about 200 degrees higher. I bet they are higher in July as well.... Was this on your first day of HPDE-1, with an instructor riding shotgun to keep you within safe limits? I have seen no evidence of brake fluid degradation, on track or off, with my setup in my 3300 lb Time Trial car (13" rotors with 4-piston Brembos up front). Then again, I'm probably leaving a bit of time on the table in the braking zones, but squeezing every last inch out of my braking just isn't a priority right now. My lap times seem to indicate that I'm doing "good enough" in TTD for now. My original point here was that waving the "holy crap you need the best brake fluid available for your first day in HPDE-1" flag just isn't absolutely necessary if you're watching costs (not to be confused with cutting corners). Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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