Lucid Moments Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 I moved up into HPDE3 back in December and am working on my off line driving. I do okay in a longer sweeping turn, but the shorter, tighter turns are eluding me so far. As a specific example I had a car point me by on the inside of turn 4 at VIR. In order for me to go inside I had to slow down so much that I couldn't get by him. How should I approach a turn like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red00gt Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 I generally dont run with NASA, but in all other clubs, unless you are in advanced solo, A. He should not be pointing you bye in a turn and B. You should not take the pass in a turn, even with a point bye. Just because someone points you by, does not mean you "must" take it. I would not take the point by. If he gives you another one, on a straight, then go ahead. Otherwise, take a run through the pits. By the time you exit, he will be gone. Better safe then sorry. Just my opinion, fwiw. PCA Instructor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jim P. Posted July 27, 2010 Members Share Posted July 27, 2010 You can always wave off the point-by or simply pull up next to them and stay side by side until you can pull away. One of the things we teach in the Competition License School is that two cars side by side are always slower than one in a section of track. FYI - HPDE 3 is passing anywhere on track with a point-by highly recommended. It is a great preparation for drivers who move up to advanced driving and/or eventually go racing. Take any point-by that you feel comfortable and use it as a learning experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 I enjoy the 2 wide runs through the turns when Im not worrying about lap time or catching someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 that may be something to practice solo - pretend there is a car to your outside in the tighter turns and practice carrying speed while leaving a lane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucid Moments Posted July 27, 2010 Author Share Posted July 27, 2010 that may be something to practice solo - pretend there is a car to your outside in the tighter turns and practice carrying speed while leaving a lane I thought about doing exactly that and will probably do it next time I drive. That way if I mess it up there are no boo boos to fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninetyfourintegra Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 How about "Don't do this...": After this past weekend, this is an area that I have identified to work on as well. I will be doing a lot of offline driving in practice and qualifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Doc Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Work on trail braking and purposely driving offline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 How about "Don't do this...": After this past weekend, this is an area that I have identified to work on as well. I will be doing a lot of offline driving in practice and qualifying. even if you had stuck it on the track (vs gravel trap) you just set yourself up for a classic "over-under" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscguy Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 NASA-MA allows passing anywhere on track with a point in the advanced/instructor groups (HPDE3 and HPDE4), FYI (for red00gt). With everyone working together, it is really a unique and enjoyable experience, and a fantastic learning tool for those looking to move onto racing. Practicing off-line stuff solo is probably the smartest way to do it, but its also a little hard to judge your comparative speeds that way. For the most part, I always said, "F--- it, let's give this a shot" and paid VERY close attention to what the guy next to me was doing. When I give point-bys in corners, I treat this the same, and either stick to my side of the track until I see them go by, or watch for them to get behind me and wave it off. It comes down to cooperation and communication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Doc Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Another thought (if you can find/borrow a legal car), is to go to comp school, even if you aren't going wheel to wheel. You spend a lot of time working on these things there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
944-Spec#94 Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 I moved up into HPDE3 back in December and am working on my off line driving. I do okay in a longer sweeping turn, but the shorter, tighter turns are eluding me so far. As a specific example I had a car point me by on the inside of turn 4 at VIR. In order for me to go inside I had to slow down so much that I couldn't get by him. How should I approach a turn like that? Not every place is good for going 2 wide and making a pass. I can think of many places on the track I visit where it makes no sense to try to pass at all. It just slow you down too much. The except is if you have alot more grip and or power. Since I drive a momentum car I cannot lose momentum and expect to pass anyone. I don't have the HP to get the job done. So first thing to learn/understand where the easy passing zone are on a track and what works for your car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninetyfourintegra Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Would there be fault in this pass? Incidental contact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houstonnw Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Would there be fault in this pass? Incidental contact? The front wheel of the second car had reached the door of the first before contact, so the second car had position. Other than that ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Corkran Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Would there be fault in this pass? Incidental contact? The front wheel of the second car had reached the door of the first before contact, so the second car had position. Other than that ... Plus the passing car did have at least 2 wheels off at the time of contact... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houstonnw Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Would there be fault in this pass? Incidental contact? The front wheel of the second car had reached the door of the first before contact, so the second car had position. Other than that ... Plus the passing car did have at least 2 wheels off at the time of contact... "3/4 car width" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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