richard migliori Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 A bunch of us guys are putting some stuff together that might be interesting to all of you sprint racers that consistently run in the back and are tired of not being competitive. Running a 9 race series that awards overall series and class series. It is a straight up format that includes passing points and fast qualifier pints in the overall mix. We have tested this point system and to our amazement, it levels the playing field where E3's and E2's are very competitive in the overall championship after 3 race scenarios. This format is based on a 40 car field compiling points for class and overall. 2 chances for the price of one! It puts more on strategy and taking care of equipment rather than killing tires and brakes. The possibility of "tow money" may be presented to offset the high cost of getting to the track. (still working on that). It is time for all to break the old myth of "enduros wear out your race equipment" and check out the next endurance race near you or pit for one of the teams. You will then fully understand why it is the best kept secret in road racing! Pros: Great seat time, share expenses with a co driver, get your friends together for a great time of strategy and racing, easy on the equipment, wives can be an important part of the active crew, you don't have to drive FLAT OUT to win an event, and a ONE DAY event. It doesn't kill the whole weekend. Cons: NONE Please post your thoughts on this, thanks Richard Migliori PDG4.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 where would these races be held? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard migliori Posted September 30, 2010 Author Share Posted September 30, 2010 because we are all on the West coast and this is in its infant / development stages, but would include maybe Colorado -West and up to Washington ? Including a "tow money" package would make the trip a little more friendly for the long haulers. Mainly, these races will be held at the race tracks To keep cost down, also looking into sub leasing the track with other race organizations and possibly becoming an undercard to some of the more high profile race organizations. When this comes into play, you have to have a "car count " commitment and that is what I am seeking here as well. RM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlfpkrcn1 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Richard, I am right there with you. Still not sure how the passing points etc.. thing works. It sounds like what we had talked about previously without the classing overhaul? We will be running the entire WERC next year. Hopefully a couple other enduros either up North (Washington or Portland) or East(Miller) budget and time permitting. Let's get something going that Jerry and Ryan can put some thought behind. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtm68 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Who is sanctioning it? How much are entry fees? What type of press is lined up? any ideas behind a tentative schedule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbodleimages Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 lenth of races? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlfpkrcn1 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I believe Richard wants to make the WERC a bigger/better enduro series under the NASA name. Coincide races with groups like ICSCC that already have enduros scheduled. Possible example 6 hour @ Pacific Raceway 3 hour @ Buttonwillow 2 hour @ Thunderhill 12 hour @ Portland 3 hour @ Miller 3 hour @ Arizona, Vegas, or other Socal track 25 hour @ Thunderhill Ends up a couple races up North, couple in Norcal, couple at or nearer Socal and one of approx equal distance. Since this is up for discussion I would like to see.. at least 30 minutes of track time for both drivers for a warm up/shake down. Qualifying can be based on those times or have a short qualifying session prior to race Financially feasible for a small team like us to run the entire season. Weather it is help with a tow fund, Pay out for finishing position etc. edit- One more thing. Do not overlap Norcal/Socal races on the same weekend when there is a WERC event Things that might be nice but not a deal breaker Cars based on HP/WT Max tire width in class Max Fuel capacity in class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard migliori Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 As I mentioned before, about the points/passing and finishing/qualifying, after taking three races off My laps, the overall lead was held by an E3 by 35 points, followed by an E1, and then an ES was at 50 points. That is pretty close points racing if you ask me! I would chose to primarily use NASA'a rules and not spend much time reinventing the wheel. These races would not interfere with Norcal/Socal. (that was the dumb thing so far that I've seen NASA do this year, double book races in close proximity). ( I saved 3,600 in fees and expenses because of that. THANK YOU NASA). I threw this out to get an idea of your concerns and interests and then what it would take to do it. If the ideas and requests are attainable then we go to the next level. You must have an idea and a platform to move forward before you can get someone to back it financially. RM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlfpkrcn1 Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Richard, Can you explain the proposed points better? Would there be a "class" champion(ES,E1,E2,E3) and a "points" Champion at the end of the year? Is my guesstimate schedule what you had in mind? What would your ideal primary sponsor give back to the series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard migliori Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 The classes remain the same, ES, ESR, EO, etc., and run for their respective class championship, (current format). THEN, the additional points system, ever so simple is separate and goes toward an overall championship that includes qualifying, passing, and position points- overall. For example: Fast qualifer: #88 ESR starts 1 finish 12 His championship points are: pole 75 finish 200 passing (neg 11=+0 = 275 #52 E2 no qualifying points starts 26 finish 14 His championship points are: qual 0 finish 160 passing (plus 12 x3=36) = 196 Only top 5 get qualifying points because they cannot receive passing points. #92 ES no qualifying points starts 15 finish 6 His championship points are: qual 0 finish 320 passing (plus 9 x 3=27) = 347 Because the E2 car is 111 points behind, anything can happen in two more races. The point is, that he still has a very good chance at winning the championship with the commitment of being at all the races. Points do reflect the performance of each car where it finishes. RM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard migliori Posted October 11, 2010 Author Share Posted October 11, 2010 Right at this point, it is not worth my time to pursue a sponsoring body with no interest. I want to know how many would be interested before taking the nest step. If I have 12 or 18 people interested then I can stop and do something else because it aint going to work. RM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlfpkrcn1 Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Richard, I don't think you get a real sample here on the board in the enduro section. The 10 of us that currently run and read this section will reply, but does not get the question out to the sprint racers who might join or have insight into what they would like to see. Also are you just trying to get the opinion of North and south CA? Have you found or posted on a forum for the ICSSC? Maybe on the 25 hour site you can link to this thread? The idea is to get an opinion from the broadest base and start there. If you can direct people to this thread from all regions Norcal, Socal, AZ, ICSSC, Mountain etc... There is an enduro section on the Improved Touring site I visit. I would be happy to post over there if you like. Maybe some SCCA guys want to do enduros ,but here in Norcal is only 1 at the end of the year at the PCRRC. Just some thoughts E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard migliori Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 Eric, You are right in every comment here. I am not that good on the computer, ( ffcars, nasa forum, and email) is all I know how to do! that is a great idea and could you do that? The faster we get an interest and suggestion count, the better things will be and more appealing to the general racers out there. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Racing Team Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Hi Richard, We would definitely be interested, currently we run the Portland 12 hour as well as the Seattle 6 hour, one of our team members Jeff Remfert has run the 25 hour at Thunderhill 3 times and we're hoping to take our RX7 down for this year. We have wanted an endurance series in the Northwest for some time. We can commit our two RX7s and the strong possibilty of our Saker, please keep us posted on developements. Terry www.retroracingteam.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlfpkrcn1 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 You have some serious beauties in your car stable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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