marshallmosty Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 MM for president! I'll take the vote... even if it's for my twin brother... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99cobra2881 Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 Does the pedal still kick back under lockup in a non abs system? Is there feedback through the pedal like there is in the stock pedal with ABS under lock up? Im not worried about driving without ABS, I would welcome the 8 lbs loss that the ABS delete takes off the nose of the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nape Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Does the pedal still kick back under lockup in a non abs system? Is there feedback through the pedal like there is in the stock pedal with ABS under lock up? Not that I've ever noticed. I notice it in the steering first then the smoke second. I've had one noticeable lockup I can remember in the last two seasons was going into T1 during qualifying after I did a less then stellar warmup lap in really cold temps and it still didn't flat spot the tire enough to notice on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thonczarenko Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Does the pedal still kick back under lockup in a non abs system? Is there feedback through the pedal like there is in the stock pedal with ABS under lock up? I'm not worried about driving without ABS, I would welcome the 8 lbs loss that the ABS delete takes off the nose of the car. It does, but it is VERY slight. But as Nape said, you really notice it in the steering wheel and the car shifting to the left or right a tad. Warmed up tires regain grip quite quickly, so just a slight lift of the pedal and you're back in business. As for cold tires, I find they do not regain grip that fast and then flat-spot pretty easily, so I am careful to warm up my tires. Tip of the day: I warm them up by accelerating and decelerating, not by zig-zagging the car. I learned me that from Skip Barber Racing School. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Algozine Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 While reviewing other road race related forums, I've deteremined that there are several AI racers, including me, looking into adding a competent, race worthy ABS to cars that don't have them, such as fbody, fox and SN95. Seems like such a huge waste of time and money for all non FR500 / S197 cars to have to chase this technology. I'm sure the money could be better spent on other things like a couple set of Hoosiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshallmosty Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 While reviewing other road race related forums, I've deteremined that there are several AI racers, including me, looking into adding a competent, race worthy ABS to cars that don't have them, such as fbody, fox and SN95. Seems like such a huge waste of time and money for all non FR500 / S197 cars to have to chase this technology.I'm sure the money could be better spent on other things like a couple set of Hoosiers. Dave, I know that it's a bummer for the GM crowd as their quest is much more difficult, but it appears the FR500 system could be retrofitted into any 79+ Mustang for less than $1K with almost new parts. Shopping List for Cars with ABS already GT500 HCU FR500 ABS Module '05-09 body harness to strip the ABS stuff from S197 wheel speed sensors New hydraulic lines (bent yourself from straight stock) Misc wiring stuff required for any of this type of work... which everyone should already have anyway. Additional shopping list for non-ABS cars This is a moot point for 99% of the folks with a SN95 conversion to 5-lug anyway Rear Axles with tone rings (most SN95 stuff we all use have this already) Front Hubs with tone rings (most SN95 stuff we all use have this already) Rear brake caliper brackets with ABS provisions All you need for the project is: TIME Parts from above shopping lists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeP-99Z Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I know that it's a bummer for the GM crowd as their quest is much more difficult, Does not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevepoe Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Does not exist. not to sound like a ass but can you please explain why a camaro or firebird could not be retro fitted with a abs sytem ? Did these cars not have abs at some point ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Algozine Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Does not exist. not to sound like a ass but can you please explain why a camaro or firebird could not be retro fitted with a abs sytem ? Did these cars not have abs at some point ? 3rd gen's, no ABS. 4 gen does have ABS, however, a stock, non race stystem is good for not flat spotting tires and hard lock ups in the rain, but won't perform like a real race system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeP-99Z Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Factory system, yes - I'd put the F-body and SN95 systems on about the same level. Equivalent to the FR500 system, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshallmosty Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I've heard that you need a Shelby GT500 HCU to replace the Stock HCU. However, I can't find any PN's on the net, or any indication that the FR500S brake package needs that updated HCU on the Ford Racing site. I've pinged Steve Poe offline for the PN's, but wanted to see if anyone else had specific HCU's PN's for both the Stock GT as well as the GT500/FR500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucebyerly Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Does not exist. not to sound like a ass but can you please explain why a camaro or firebird could not be retro fitted with a abs sytem ? Did these cars not have abs at some point ? 3rd gen's, no ABS. 4 gen does have ABS, however, a stock, non race stystem is good for not flat spotting tires and hard lock ups in the rain, but won't perform like a real race system. I thought that avoiding flat spots was the whole reason to have abs (no super nintendo advantage yet you know when it's saved you $275) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbrown8439 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I've heard that you need a Shelby GT500 HCU to replace the Stock HCU. However, I can't find any PN's on the net, or any indication that the FR500S brake package needs that updated HCU on the Ford Racing site. I've pinged Steve Poe offline for the PN's, but wanted to see if anyone else had specific HCU's PN's for both the Stock GT as well as the GT500/FR500. There is a difference and you do need the GT500 HCU. I have the numbers at work if you don't find them sooner but your local Ford dealer can give them to you also. If you want shoot me a PM on Monday to remind me and I'll get you the GT500 part number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshallmosty Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I've heard that you need a Shelby GT500 HCU to replace the Stock HCU. However, I can't find any PN's on the net, or any indication that the FR500S brake package needs that updated HCU on the Ford Racing site. I've pinged Steve Poe offline for the PN's, but wanted to see if anyone else had specific HCU's PN's for both the Stock GT as well as the GT500/FR500. There is a difference and you do need the GT500 HCU. I have the numbers at work if you don't find them sooner but your local Ford dealer can give them to you also. If you want shoot me a PM on Monday to remind me and I'll get you the GT500 part number. Greg, I'll call our local Ford dealer and see if they can shed some light. If not, I'll drop you a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpoz27 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 http://www.bosch-motorsport.de/content/language2/html/3490.htm 1 EUR = 1.46 USD installation/Engineering costs not included. Rules don't allow it and most can't afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevepoe Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 So what about something from a corvette . like a zo6 or the new zr . couldn't that be adapted? I thought that I seen a new camaro from gm that was similar to a boss laguna mustang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Algozine Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Some great info for Mustangs. Fbody's are still searching. But what happens when an even better system is developed? Do the have nots run out and tool up with the latest and greatest? I've heard that the plan for AI is to control expenses. I came up with a revolutionary idea............pull the fuse and go racing. Level playing field, less expensive and relys on driver talent, not technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbodleimages Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 what happens when better suspension pieces are put on the market? what about better adjustable wings and splitters? what about improved performance in all the gear that is legal now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Algozine Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 what happens when better suspension pieces are put on the market? what about better adjustable wings and splitters? what about improved performance in all the gear that is legal now. Not a good comparison. ABS is a higly technical "gadget". As technology improves, so will ABS. Those other items are mechanical and are ruled by the laws of physics. ABS is an extra, an add on, an unnecessary item that takes the skill of braking and hands it over to a computer. I'm anticipating that eventually stock traction control is going to have a quality race mode. Should it be legal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 ABS is a higly technical "gadget". they used to say the same thing about computer controlled fuel injection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Algozine Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 ABS is a higly technical "gadget". they used to say the same thing about computer controlled fuel injection Agian, not a good comparision. EFI is an engine management system. Braking is a driver skill required for racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbodleimages Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 you dont think that adjustable wings with increasing quality and control of downforce isn't a driver aid? if you want to hold down costs and equal competition, nasa should spec aero components. you dont think better suspension components dont create a better handling car and more speed for a lesser driver? should those pieces also be spec'd or should those with a financial advantage be able to buy the more expensive components and therefore get an advantage? lastly, are you really sure that you want to be the guy that spins in the rain and is t-boned in the drivers door by a car that would have avoided you entirely with abs? in the end brakes are safety first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbodleimages Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 ABS is a higly technical "gadget". they used to say the same thing about computer controlled fuel injection Agian, not a good comparision. EFI is an engine management system. Braking is a driver skill required for racing. EFI makes for more efficient and computer controlled "go". ABS makes for more efficient and computer controlled "stop". Both are drivers aids. Only one of the two can save your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor57 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 lastly, are you really sure that you want to be the guy that spins in the rain and is t-boned in the drivers door by a car that would have avoided you entirely with abs? in the end brakes are safety first. Not having ABS causes cars to spin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbodleimages Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 where did i say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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