6lasMUSTANGvegas7 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Can a 67 mustang be competitive In AI? (not asking about AI/X to expensive) Im about to start building one so i figured id ask. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jim P. Posted April 14, 2005 Members Share Posted April 14, 2005 All cars can be competitive, have you considered AI/Vintage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pederb Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Yes very but not with any kind of stock suspension it has to be griggs or tcp suspension or something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6lasMUSTANGvegas7 Posted April 14, 2005 Author Share Posted April 14, 2005 Yeah i have considered AI/vintage, but it really doesnt seem like there iverry much competition. I have talked to some people who say you can be competive with pretty much stock suspension, but i wasnt sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAI Racing Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 The only way there is going to be competition in AIV is if guys with cars start building and running them. I hear there are a number of cars on the east coast. AIV gives you the flexability to run with NASA and VARA or HSR. As far as competition goes, AIV is on track with AI and AIX so you should have plenty of people to run around with. I would guess that if you drive a vintage car well, you should be able to run with the AI cars without too much trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95CobraR Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 The stock '67 suspension is much better than the 65/66 stock suspension. The 67 platform is heavier than the 65/66. The vintage groups separate (class, but same group) the two cars. A 65/66 car runs in the production class of cars thru 1966. The '67 cars run production class of years 1967-1974. In other words, the '67 will be in the same class as a Boss 302 (and the Z/28's). The 65/66 cars run in the same class as a Sunbean Tiger (which don't handle as well due to shorter wheelbase). The 65/66 cars outnumber the 67-74 cars 10 to 1 in vintage racing on the east coast. Does Griggs make a vintage suspension? I wasn't aware of one? Alot of guys run the Global West vintage suspensions. I've gotten alot of pieces from Ron Bramlet at Mustang Plus in Calif. If you want the fastest vintage car, you should go with Cobra Automotive. Of course, you'll need to budget $100K. If I was building a new car for just AI; it would be a late model Mustang. I just think you can build a competitive car for less money if it is a late model. If you want to run vintage and NASA, you should build a vintage car. The costs are less with NASA. The track time is more with NASA. You'll have fun either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6lasMUSTANGvegas7 Posted April 16, 2005 Author Share Posted April 16, 2005 Alot of guys run the Global West vintage suspensions. I've gotten alot of pieces from Ron Bramlet at Mustang Plus in Calif. If you want the fastest vintage car, you should go with Cobra Automotive. Of course, you'll need to budget $100K. What parts so you run from mustangs plus? i just checked out there site and it looks like they have alot of good race parts at good prices... which parts do you think are the most effective? Hey where do you live in georgia? i just moved to vegas from Dacula... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95CobraR Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 I'm probably the wrong guy to give advice on the '67. I've never owned one. There are several good threads on corner-carver.com (do a search; don't post before reading their rules [twice] ) on the '67 and up cars. You can also go to garyjonesmotorsports.com for good info (he is a several time vintage Rolex champ; all in Mustangs). The biggest vintage race in the south will be at Rd Atl in 2 weeks. You'll find 10-12 Mustangs (5 from Atl) and as many Corvettes and Camaros entered. You may want to consider checking those cars out. I'll be there if I can get my engine ready in time (it blew at NASA-Rd Atl). I live in Sandy Springs (N. Atl). The guy that does my engines has a shop in Decatur. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jim P. Posted April 17, 2005 Members Share Posted April 17, 2005 I am in the process of building a '67 as well, I will post pics as we move forward, right now it is just a stripped shell and I am in the process of locating, fabricating, etc. and putting her back together. Here's a list of what I was planning so far: 2001 Crown Vic front brakes (2 piston/13") 95 Mustang GT rear axle MM Panhard bar MM TQ Arm Coilovers - rear 720# Springs front 1.25" swaybar front Wildwood pedal assembly 351C stroked to 383ci 4 Spd I will post pics later this week if anyone wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6lasMUSTANGvegas7 Posted April 17, 2005 Author Share Posted April 17, 2005 Hey I would love to see some pictures. Are you running the stock front suspension? and if so how hard is it to get those crown vic brakes to work on that car? that sounds like that would be cheaper than some other pptions. what class are you going to run in? well sounds cool lookin forward to seeing some pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jim P. Posted April 18, 2005 Members Share Posted April 18, 2005 The crown vics fit once you change the lower ball joint. So far the plan is to use the stock front suspension, but as the car progresses things might change... My plan is to run in AI/V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacovini Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 I'm building a '67 Fastback as well for AIX. Will try to post pics later this week too. Right now it is just a rolling "body in grey" and waiting for the cage...(actually waiting for the money for the cage). My plans are for a full Griggs GR-350 suspension and minimum 500HP/500TQ. At the rate I'm going now, it won't be racing until 2007...but would love to shake it down in 2H06. -=- Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ginsberg Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 2001 Crown Vic front brakes (2 piston/13") Ummm.....I didn't think the Panther platform came with 13" rotors and 2-piston front calipers. 351C stroked to 383ci Man....you really are a gluton for punishment. A 351C? Yikes...you thought Windsors were expensive to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jim P. Posted April 19, 2005 Members Share Posted April 19, 2005 351C stroked to 383ci Man....you really are a gluton for punishment. A 351C? Yikes...you thought Windsors were expensive to build. Funny you should mention that...I thought the same thing, it seems the 351C has been in production in Australia for years, and only stopped recently. There is even a 3V head for them! Plus with many of the (used) NASCAR parts based off of 351C it is looking like it'll be less expensive than the 358w I had in the old white w/blue car... NASA-SE Race Director Tom Hennig is at a 4 day auction for some awesome (used?) Yates stuff this week - http://www.sentmanauctions.com pics of the stuff: http://www.sentmanauctions.com/yates_photos.htm We are hoping to pick up a bunch of stuff for our '68 & '65 project cars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95CobraR Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 We are hoping to pick up a bunch of stuff for our '68 & '65 project cars... Any luck? I always thought NASCAR was using the 351W? I know the bore and stroke are the same (4" & 3.5"). Isn't the 351C heavier? I think it had those angled valves, big chambers, and the 14mm plugs? I always thought the 351C had oiling problems (it feeds the cam and then the mains; resulting in oil starvation to #4 & #5 main and rod bearing?)? What type of crank are you going to use? Heads? Pistons? I thought the Aussie head was a high torque-low HP head? Isn't the DOAE-H (& R; the 4-V ones) head the better road race piece? Regardless, I think it should be classified in AIVb (for big block) P/S I think I'll see you at RA next weekend? I think I may be good to go (engine is supposed to be out of the machine shop today). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jim P. Posted April 24, 2005 Members Share Posted April 24, 2005 No luck, too much of the stuff was expensive and/or not usable for what we are doing. There will be quite a few of us headed to RA next weekend, we want to see you finish a race there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95CobraR Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 There will be quite a few of us headed to RA next weekend, we want to see you finish a race there... Uh Oh! I guess I'll find out if it's the JP jinx or just bad car preparation ??? I saw one of the promoters yesterday. He said they have 450 cars registered . I may have to paddock in the woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jim P. Posted April 25, 2005 Members Share Posted April 25, 2005 Here's some pics: You can view more pics and full size ones here: http://www.wildhorsesracing.com/projects/68stang/20050424/20050424.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6lasMUSTANGvegas7 Posted April 28, 2005 Author Share Posted April 28, 2005 Hey thanks for the pics. its lookin good. If you could id love to see more pics as it progresses. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95CobraR Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 There will be quite a few of us headed to RA next weekend, we want to see you finish a race there... Ha! It looks like it was the JP jinx. The car ran perfectly all weekend and finshed well in the British/American car race as well as in the final of the group 5 race. Third in class behind two of the "cheater" cars. [cheater cars consist of anything that out-runs your car ]. It did cut a tire ( a new one, of course) down in one of the qualifying races. I am blaming that on something that fell off of one of those Corvettes! How come all of those "former" Nascar cars kept hitting the walls? Don't they know they are supposed to turn the car at the apexes? Of course, they were parked near JP. Could it be the jinx has been transfered? Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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