jason Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 clearer diagram: From what I've seen of Mustang suspensions, banning Mustangs would greatly simplify the TT rule book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 clearer diagram: From what I've seen of Mustang suspensions, banning Mustangs would greatly simplify the TT rule book. truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 From what I've seen of Mustang suspensions, banning Mustangs would greatly simplify the TT rule book. And let the blown Miatas run wild in TTD down here? No, sir! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vettedoctor Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 How is an attachment bracket on the suspension or body a swaybar endlink? You're really stretching - +2 points, thus a DQ. You're outta here! I'm playing devil's advocate here, but look at how the front sway bar end links on a Fox or SN95 Mustang are constructed; some sort of a 90* adapter or bracket will be needed on the bar and on the A-arm in order to install end links with spherical bearings. "Oh, but all I did was install the MoFaster end link kit, and it came with that bracket thingy. I didn't change the OEM sway bar, though. Those mounting holes spaced about 3/4" apart? Those are for manufacturing tolerances in the chassis. Yeah, that's it..." Mark Here you go (top bushing, washer, and nut are missing): Clearer diagram: Here you go - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Here you go - "But I used the other brand that doesn't mount like that." I'm not saying that I would do something like that, but I'm saying that I can hear the excuses now in tech inspection. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Wouldn't it be nice to hear new excuses in Tech for once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Wouldn't it be nice to hear new excuses in Tech for once? "I don't read rules or forums" and "It's your fault that there isn't a base class for my car" were pretty good ones this year. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 fwiw - those adapter brackets for the sphericals posted don't change the effective rate of the swaybar besides tightening up the response by getting rid of the squishy rubber. You'd have to move the hole in the arm and/or move the hole in the bar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 fwiw - those adapter brackets for the sphericals posted don't change the effective rate of the swaybar besides tightening up the response by getting rid of the squishy rubber. You'd have to move the hole in the arm and/or move the hole in the bar... I think he was trying to show a simple adapter that would not affect the rate of the sway bar. Hence my mention of adapter brackets with various holes in them to "compensate for chassis manufacturing tolerances" or whatever, in order to try to get around +2 for sway bars if end links become free. This may very well be why end links are currently not free. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I'll work up two versions (one that'll let you mess with the ends, and one that won't) to submit to Greg. Clearly there is some desire from participants to at least partially open up that area for free modding... So what else - surely endlinks aren't the only legitimate gripe you guys have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomn29 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Tire sizes for base classes seem to have a huge hole that I've never understood. 235 - TTE 245 - TTD 255 - TTC 265 - TTB 275 - ? 285 - ? 295 - TTA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Tire sizes for base classes seem to have a huge hole that I've never understood. 175 - TTH 185 - ? 195 - TTG 205 - ? 215 - TTF 225 - ? 235 - TTE 245 - TTD 255 - TTC 265 - TTB 275 - ? 285 - ? 295 - TTA I added 175 - 225; might as well have the entire list, with the smaller holes for the lower classes. 43 pages to go. We can do it! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drivinhardz06 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 43 pages to go. We can do it! If we added 900 pages to the TT rules, it would still be shorter than the SCCA STO/STU/T1 rules I was looking at awhile back when I was looking at running the ARRC in Nov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varkwso Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I would like to see an X* car stay in class with a A6/equivalent. I am liking the end link free mod. Banning Mustangs is always a good idea. I think tires sizes should start at 295 in TTA and step down 10mm per class. It will give the small wheel well cars points to play with and the "hefty" cars tire to grip with. I also need to hear better point violation explanations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Banning Mustangs is always a good idea. In that case, I'll need a base class for a 2004 F-150. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drivinhardz06 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Competitors with children under age 7 get 3 pts back per child Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra4B Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Competitors with children under age 7 get 3 pts back per child It's your fault for not putting them to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboShortBus Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Competitors with children under age 7 get 3 pts back per child Is this Time Trial or government welfare? lol Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerkat Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Competitors with children under age 7 get 3 pts back per child Could I use cats instead of kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dans2k Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Let's not stop until we have more pages than the S2000 hardtop thread. GO! Mark sweet I am in! I think endlinks isn't a bad idea though it messing up my corner balance because the right rear is so light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkntrxn Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 While I would absolutely LOVE to run a 295 A6 in TTA if an A6 were made a +12pt tire, but what do you do when the next best go-faster tire comes out and it is faster than the A6? Does that tire become a +13pt tire? Now we are back in the same game as now. And what happens when the tire a generation after that comes out? Is it a +14pt tire? Or are tires constantly downgraded in points as the newer generation of rubber debuts? I do think there has to be some check and balance. Otherwise, the X* car in each class automatically becomes the ringer when on the base size fast tire. Oh wait.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varkwso Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Banning Mustangs is always a good idea. In that case, I'll need a base class for a 2004 F-150. Mark Whiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drivinhardz06 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Otherwise, the X* car in each class automatically becomes the ringer when on the base size fast tire. Oh wait.... I would think any NON * car is the ringer in it's class since you can spend it's initial 7 pts how YOU want vs them spending it for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 agreed - having only 12 to spend when your competition has 19 (or more!) makes things tough at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drivinhardz06 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 but what do you do when the next best go-faster tire comes out and it is faster than the A6? Does that tire become a +13pt tire? Now we are back in the same game as now. it's already out, it's called the C91, and it's 13 to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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