stevepoe Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 So I guess I'm the 1st person to install the hvt spec iron shock package ? When I found out we where going to be on a spec sway bar system and a spec shock package I was concerned about a stock endlink working . I asked for a rule change to allow a aftermarket adjustable sway bar endlink but was shot down for some crazy reason . This was even after I spoke of my concern. well I can say after installing the spec package on the car we are officially screwed and a rule change is needed as I thought. This photo is of a hvt shock package installed with the spec sway bar . car has been set at min ride height and the suspension is loaded to show how this car would sit on the ground . As you can see there is no way in heck this factory link will work .It is not even close. Even more we are going to need a much shorter aftermarket endlink with spacers to make up the distance from the strut to sway bar . the stock endlink is about 10.5" from center hole to center hole . We need a endlink to be at about 5" center hole to center hole before adjustment . I Have a race next Friday and I would like to get a go for a aftermarket endlink asap please .
NASA13 Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 I guess we really are the first to install these, I thought for some reason that there were a few cars ahead of us, but I know Aaron had the same issue, I have not gotten mine home yet, but I will be in the same boat soon.
suck fumes Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) Yah we just saw this problem yesterday. I will submit an RCR soon but it obviously needs to be fixed and not just considered. We can't drive the cars without a fix. Edited July 20, 2013 by Guest
Al Watson Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 At this point no RCR has been received on the matter. Chatter on the forum is just that, chatter. Please submit an RCR with some good documentation per the new rcr procedure and nasa will look into it.
stevepoe Posted July 20, 2013 Author Posted July 20, 2013 fixed. 7.5" center hole to center hole . not as bad as the 5" when I first looked at it. cut of wheel and a welder . I also shimmed it out from the strut. Guys not running wheels spacers on the front with the 45mm wheel be careful as the tire is really close to the spring on the strut.
Al Watson Posted July 20, 2013 Posted July 20, 2013 Steve. Is the issue the mount on the strut being in the wrong, non oe, location? The mod to the endlink isn't legal. So if this truely is an issue an rcr should be submitted.
stevepoe Posted July 21, 2013 Author Posted July 21, 2013 yes , it's a design problem . the strut body tab is located low on the strut housing causing the sway bar link not to fit correctly.
suck fumes Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 I just typed up an RCR. After asking a couple more questions to some vendors I will submit it. But without something being done like what Steve did we can't even hook up the bar at all.
Al Watson Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Understood on the topic of making the endlink work. I also see the issue. I looked on the hvt site at a pic of the spec iron shocks and can see the eye for the endlink appears to be low, and not sure the hvt can move it up as its already pretty close to the coilover threads. If you can submit 2 pics with a tape measure showing the hvt and oe distance change with that rcr it would help. Thanks.
Mystic_Cobra Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Does HVT or anyone have a car assembled with these parts currently? Can you guys be specific as to what would be the right fix? Does the tab need to be moved on the shock to make it work with the oem end links or would it be better to supply new end links with the sway bar package? Can you use the stock sway bar with the new shocks as they shipped? Thanks for supplying pics. Those will be helpful for the RCR.
suck fumes Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Ramey at umiperformance.com can custom make end links for our class!!! I'm forwarding the info to the board.
stevepoe Posted July 23, 2013 Author Posted July 23, 2013 you can't move the tab up because the threaded shock body is in that area. stock sway bar or aftermarket will not matter. This is not a hard fix. allow aftermarket end links and it's fixed. I can't really imagine a advantge in a adjustable end link from another in spec iron. just about anything aftermarket marketed for s197 is not going to work as it will be to long like a stock link. I'm sure someone can make a link........and I'm Sure brian at hvt or Terry can come through on this . .. This is a easy problem......... You guys should be more worried about the tune and not being able to turn traction control off more then this.............they also need to figure out something with pats in the tune.........
suck fumes Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Yah unless tech has a "master" computer reader from the dealer I don't see how they would police tuning certain aspects of the car. Best idea would be to reflash the cars on the grid right before you go out so no one has time to mess with anything.
olaaf Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Yah unless tech has a "master" computer reader from the dealer I don't see how they would police tuning certain aspects of the car. Best idea would be to reflash the cars on the grid right before you go out so no one has time to mess with anything. i was wondering how strict NASA is going to be with re-flashing. Doesn't this mean that changing the gear ratio's will through off the speedo? that is usually a simple change in the tuner, and swapping PCM's will break the relationship between the tuner and the PCM (do the ford tuners VIN lock?)
suck fumes Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 Yep that's why when u order the cold air intake kit they give you a voucher with a code that you have to use on the ford website to register your car with the tuner. They ask for vin, ECU number, voucher code, and which kit you bought. Then they mail you the tuner with a special SIM card that plugs into the bottom of it.
larsend Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 You guys should be more worried about the tune and not being able to turn traction control off more then this.............they also need to figure out something with pats in the tune......... Steve, When you use the Ford Racing ABS Module M-2353-A and the HCU Module from the 07-09 GT500, the car will default to no traction control at start up. If you want TC then you push the button and the TC is turned on. The PATS is something else.......... ----------- When you shimmed the end link were you able to run the suspension through its range of motion with the steering moved right/left? It didn't bind anywhere did it? Thanks Doug
stevepoe Posted July 24, 2013 Author Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) You guys should be more worried about the tune and not being able to turn traction control off more then this.............they also need to figure out something with pats in the tune......... Steve, When you use the Ford Racing ABS Module M-2353-A and the HCU Module from the 07-09 GT500, the car will default to no traction control at start up. If you want TC then you push the button and the TC is turned on. The PATS is something else.......... ----------- When you shimmed the end link were you able to run the suspension through its range of motion with the steering moved right/left? It didn't bind anywhere did it? Thanks Doug Doug, Correct on the TC but Your assuming nobody s going to turn it on when it's not legal in the series and no way to police it ..........if it can't be truned off for sure then it needs to be fixed or made legal....... my opinion it should just be made legal in stock form I noticed nothing on binding but I have only ran it through motion with floor jacks under control arms running it through range of motion. Guess I will find out this weekend for sure. 2 signed up for mid ohio with possibly a 3rd Edited July 24, 2013 by Guest
stevepoe Posted July 24, 2013 Author Posted July 24, 2013 These are from Brent who just finished up his spec iron build. He didn't know hot to post pictures so asked me if I would ..... not sure who done them or how much but they look nice.maybe he will chime in and we can consider something like this .
realspeeddan Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 These are from Brent who just finished up his spec iron build. He didn't know hot to post pictures so asked me if I would ..... not sure who done them or how much but they look nice.maybe he will chime in and we can consider something like this . FYI, The aftermarket endlink kits I have seen that use spherical rod ends don't allow a high enough misalignment angle to allow a full lock to lock turn without binding the rod end, because the upper mount rotates with the strut when you turn the wheel. The factory endlinks actually allow a much larger misalignment angle than a typical rod end. The result of the binding is typically mashed spacer and endlink bolt from turning one way, and unintentional loosening (unscrewing) of the rod end on the center tube when you turn the other way. Obviously this doesn't address the current legality of modifying the end links. Just be careful with whatever solution you choose.
suck fumes Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Well then don't turn lock to lock. You'll never do that in a race anyway unless you screwed up huge haha
SNAKBITN Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Doesn't the TC work the rear brakes?If it does the brakes will be cooked in a couple of race's.
jbrauer11 Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 Doesn't the TC work the rear brakes?If it does the brakes will be cooked in a couple of race's. Yep. It's not exactly an advanced TC, would only pull power and slow you down, at least in the dry. Maybe in wet conditions I could see some benefit, but only for someone who otherwise has no talent in moderating their own throttle.
Grizlbits Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 Marshal Mosty submitted the RCR so the procedure has been started today. I expect a bulletin soon. Please note: The process would have been started 4 weeks ago if ONE person would have submitted an RCR 4 weeks ago rather than 4 weeks of public complaining on the forums... Just sayin!
suck fumes Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 Marshall is also going to address the brake booster/master cyl issue. The rules say you can run the 07-09 shelby booster BUT....the 07-08 is different than the 09-up which doesn't allow the master cyl to be interchanged as the mounting points are different. So he is trying to get the 05-08 cars to be able to use the 09-up master cyl in pair with the 09-up booster as this could be a potential advantage for the newer cars. I just love being the guinney pig for this new class lol!
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