Jump to content
Varkwso

Why isn't the FRS killing TTD?

Recommended Posts

kbrew8991
Bolt in cages do not meet CCR I believe

per CCRs it is ok, though maybe not ideal of course

15.6.3 Installation

The cage may be removable or may be permanently welded, or any combination thereof, providing that all

aspects of the cage meet these rules.

 

re: Spec series - pick a PT class to build a group of these for and then once it's big enough THEN break it out as it's own class once the numbers warrant... say no to random class proliferation!

 

(If I had my own way at the regional level it'd be PT, ST, and SU as the only class options - bring your big boy pants and race against someone else, no 1st of 1s!)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sterling Doc

It will be interesting to see how different combinations pan out for the car.

I sure wish we had the resources to do some real testing on the car - how much are Koni's worth from stock, and vs. coilovers, etc.

 

There is a blizzard of suspension options out there for this car - Vorschlag's MCE coilovers, RCE's Tarmac series, KW's (V1's & V3's), ST coilovers, Ohlin's, JRZ's etc. I hadn't heard of the Yellowspeed coilover before - just looked them up.

 

This car begs for a quality suspension. A quality single adjustable setup would seem to be the sweet spot for Spec racing. Some adjustability, without too many options to screw it up. . A well dialed in non-adjustable would work, too, but an cookie cutter option is likely to be compromised. You could definitely do worse than OEM...

 

I just added up the points for my planned setup - works out to 20 points

 

Coilovers: +5

Headerback exhaust (requires cat mod as cat integral to header): +5

235/40/17 Toyo RR's (+9-1) = +8

Antiswaybars : +2

 

No 225 RR's other than 15" size (which doesn't fit)

 

Several ways to make this work:

 

1) Give up on Sway bars

2) Give up on headers, maybe do +1 intake mod instead?

3) Use other tires: 225 C71 Hankooks come to mind. 225 R6's would work.

4) Give up on header, and use 225 A6's (probably the fastest option?)

 

I'd like to use the RR's because they are a sweet spot in price/durability/performance, I like how they feel (and I have Toyo bucks!).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Emmanuel B.

4) Give up on header, and use 225 A6's (probably the fastest option?)

 

Best dyno gains have been seen with a header+exhaust+tune. question is extra 4-8whp vs A6s?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Varkwso
Bolt in cages do not meet CCR I believe

per CCRs it is ok, though maybe not ideal of course

15.6.3 Installation

The cage may be removable or may be permanently welded, or any combination thereof, providing that all

aspects of the cage meet these rules.

 

re: Spec series - pick a PT class to build a group of these for and then once it's big enough THEN break it out as it's own class once the numbers warrant... say no to random class proliferation!

 

(If I had my own way at the regional level it'd be PT, ST, and SU as the only class options - bring your big boy pants and race against someone else, no 1st of 1s!)

 

It is always good to look at.CCR. It may have been thickness of metal vs car weight that caused issues for the one I recall.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Varkwso

4) Give up on header, and use 225 A6's (probably the fastest option?)

 

Best dyno gains have been seen with a header+exhaust+tune. question is extra 4-8whp vs A6s?

 

I will take A6 over 4-8 rwhp...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
kbrew8991

Might want to consider that on a % basis - that'd be like 24-32whp (or more) on a % basis to compare to your Corvette stuff

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Varkwso
Might want to consider that on a % basis - that'd be like 24-32whp (or more) on a % basis to compare to your Corvette stuff

 

I will take the grip.

 

One advantage the C5/6 has is all the development work on what works and what doesn't. And we shared data...

 

Working it out first is.fun, but expensive.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Emmanuel B.

4) Give up on header, and use 225 A6's (probably the fastest option?)

 

Best dyno gains have been seen with a header+exhaust+tune. question is extra 4-8whp vs A6s?

 

I will take A6 over 4-8 rwhp...

 

Certainly the fastest option. But with Toyo bucks in the bank, max available power plus discounted longer lasting tires could be the better option. Putting this in real perspective, this is all for bragging rights and $5 trophies.

It'll be interesting to see the variations in car setups.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Varkwso

4) Give up on header, and use 225 A6's (probably the fastest optioseen with a header+exhaust+tune. question is extra 4-8whp vs A6s?

 

I will take A6 over 4-8 rwhp...

 

Certainly the fastest option. But with Toyo bucks in the bank, max available power plus discounted longer lasting tires could be the better option. Putting this in real perspective, this is all for bragging rights and $5 trophies.

It'll be interesting to see the variations in car setups.

 

5 cars puts you into Hoosier tires...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BlkGt3

4) Give up on header, and use 225 A6's (probably the fastest optioseen with a header+exhaust+tune. question is extra 4-8whp vs A6s?

 

I will take A6 over 4-8 rwhp...

 

Certainly the fastest option. But with Toyo bucks in the bank, max available power plus discounted longer lasting tires could be the better option. Putting this in real perspective, this is all for bragging rights and $5 trophies.

It'll be interesting to see the variations in car setups.

 

5 cars puts you into Hoosier tires...

 

If you win

 

Peter

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sterling Doc

What do you mean "if I win"? I'll be driving an all-conquering, class killing Toybaru!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Emmanuel B.
What do you mean "if I win"? I'll be driving an all-conquering, class killing Toybaru!

 

You won't be the only one!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Varkwso
What do you mean "if I win"? I'll be driving an all-conquering, class killing Toybaru!

 

You won't be the only one!

 

Depends how class killing it really is...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
circuitmstr

or if I decide to showup

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
getfast

All this talk of FRS/BRZ/Miata domination is making interior bits fall out of my 2014 TTD project

 

553147_10153319240560602_82318406_n.jpg

 

3176 is the goal!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BlkGt3
or if I decide to showup

 

Sounds like TTD is getting interesting.

 

Peter

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sterling Doc
All this talk of FRS/BRZ/Miata domination is making interior bits fall out of my 2014 TTD project

 

3176 is the goal!

 

An E36 should make a good race car base as well - bring it on!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
circuitmstr

YES Jon! Love it! we def need more players!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
circuitmstr
or if I decide to showup

 

Sounds like TTD is getting interesting.

 

Peter

 

are you still converting your civic to D trim Peter?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BlkGt3
or if I decide to showup

 

Sounds like TTD is getting interesting.

 

Peter

 

are you still converting your civic to D trim Peter?

 

Eventually, but right now staying in TTE trim until after my Left Coast trip this spring. Need a quiet car for Laguna Seca I do think it will be a competitive TTD car when built and the right driver, not me but am working on getting better. Like you I think TTD is going to easily go sub 2:30 at Sebring in the near future.

 

Peter

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
circuitmstr

What the heck are you taking the civic all the way to laguna for?

are you planning running D at nationals this year? or Ian?

 

Yes, sub 2:30's are possible in D at sebring.

However, unless I have a chance at tires, I probably wont run nasa fl this year.

My plans right now are to run Barber in feb because thats my favorite track in the country and thats when the redevelopment starts with all my changes. From there on out, I will most likely only run at Road Atlanta for obvious reasons

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
getfast
unless I have a chance at tires, I probably wont run nasa fl this year

 

Weak

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ILIKETODRIVE
What the heck are you taking the civic all the way to laguna for?

Because Laguna...?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BlkGt3

Laguna, Sears Point, Thunderhill, ORP, and any other track I can fit in while I am out there. In other words a Bucket List trip.

 

I agree with Jon gotta support NASA FL and you won't get 5 cars in TTD if everybody has that attitude.

 

Nationals will be me as Cannon Fodder for the fast cars. Ian is supposed to have his S2000 ready for ST3/TT3.

 

Peter

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
circuitmstr

I know I know. We will see. Its not that I don't want to. But the budget is tight and I want all my effort$ to go towards being as competitive as can be. Sebring and Road Atlanta require a pretty different setup, so anything learned about the car at sebring is irrelevant for that matter.

When are you going out west? That should be fun. I have a bunch of laps at Sonoma and Laguna if you need some fly out help.

If Ian is busy ofcourse...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...