heavychevy Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) OK, not sure about all of that. If, and I do not know, so I say if, GTS4 lines up with ST3. Graber has the track record at Mid Ohio on the pro course at 1:31.2 in GTS4 and the ST3 track record is 1:33.0. On the club course, I have the track record with a 1:33.5 and, well, there is no ST3 track record. I guess no one ever ran in ST3 on the club course. At Pitt Race, I have the track record at 1:01.2. The ST3 track record is 1:09.1 At Road America Chris Striet has it at 2:23.4 and in ST3 it is 2:31.1 Gingerman long course Pedri in GTS4 1:38.4 and ST3 1:39.0 I could look at more, but these are kind of the ones we go to a lot. And, it looks like GTS4 is considerable faster than ST3 Oh, but you did talk about VIR. I looked that one up too. GTS4 2:01.5 ST3 2:03.5 No group (like the Tudor Cup) that runs multi car classes has unlimited rules. There are all kinds of rules rewarding or penalizing one marque or the other. To combine the groups and do that would be an administration nightmare. If you want to run in a group with a bunch of cars and be competitive, sell your car and buy a GTS car. I happen to have a few for sale. http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=130217 The great thing about a Porsche cup car is that you do not have to run around, modifying you car and doing all of that. You can just get in and drive and set some records like Steit, Graber, Wisen, and myself. And, yes, I did go to Atlanta. Finished 3rd behind Mueller and Graber in GTS4. I have always said, don't pick the car you race because you love the car, pick it because of who you race with. A good driver can race the poop out of anything. Thanks Ed Here are some facts..... ST3 is only 2 (3?) years old. And a quick glance at the GTS rule book and there are hardly any restrictions!! Plus, you aren't going to have the same data sampling of top guys at every track. Most guys haven't even finished really developing the cars yet unless they are a crossover from GTS4. Give them some time.... Many of the Vette guys were/are still developing former PTA/TTA cars which was a sizeable investment to go to ST3. If the ST3 lap record is 3,4,5-10 seconds off the pace, then clearly, just no decent sample data. This is still NASA, it's not like every class at every track in every region is maxed out especially in a 2 year old class. In GTS there are not all of the rules: - 8.5 vs 9:1 - no tubbing rule, - no 911 rule, - mounting points can be moved, - side windows allowed, - no cage pickup rule, - no active aero rule, - no cockpit controllable suspension rule, - no non-production vehicle rule, - non oem subframes/cross members - rocker panels - transmission tunnels etc. etc. etc. That's my point. Undo the rulebook and let people have at it. Surely you don't think with time and development and the GTS rulebook, the ST3 Vettes wouldn't be capable of smashing those records...... even at 9:1. would probably be faster than the current ST2 Vettes under the current rules. I still haven't heard of a privateer BMW running a 1:29 at Road Atlanta. EDIT: I found some, but I'm fairly certain Rand Mueller's Bmod car will not fit into ST3 and I'm positive Eric Zimmerman's Cmod car won't fit either as I know him and what's on that car. Beyond that, the costs to replicate those cars is VERY high. AND they were both on SLICKS at the time..... Actually a closer comparison would the the old rules TTS lap record at Road Atlanta 1:27.2 and the ST2 record at 1:28.0 with a 8.7:1 ratio..... and those ST2 cars (8:1) are running 1:28's at Mid-Ohio, with the bigger rule book. Two ST2 Vette's under the old rules (8.7:1) in the 1:58-1:59 at VIR on the OLD PAVEMENT which would be in the 1:56-1:57 now. Compare that to the GTS4 record set in 2014 on the new pavement. Not on same planet. Point is that both ST/TT3 Corvette's on the east coast are running faster than pro drivers in the most highly developed BMW's. I stand by what I said.......... Enjoy beating those with a much larger rulebook, and a limited budget, like most people have. I don't think for one second that's going to shake out to be an even battle even with the same rule book. The BMW's will even need some concessions IMO. NASA runs the risk of running a bunch of people away when it's perfectly safer to have an additional (everyone wins a trophy award). Edited February 26, 2015 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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