7VO-VOM Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I am actually working with AiM on adding TPS and other data channels to the standard BMW PT6 CAN protocol. When my car is back on its wheels they offered to send me a beta version and they expect to have it released before year end. Once I have that, my car is going to the dyno. The comparison method should be similar if not easier than the current black boxes and it would be more definitive. A percentage deviation would simply need to be determined and could be constantly refined based on known non-cheaters. I have no problem with you running your Cup car in GTS1. More competitors is always good. I also think restricting aero in GTS1 is foolish. All classes should be the same except for power to weight. I am glad you enjoy spending money to then wear out and break your car in order to spend more money. I, on the other hand, would like a reliable car. I would rather spend my time at the track racing and hanging out with friends instead of fixing the car. Then when I go home, I'd like to spend money on upgrades and beer instead of repairs and shop charges. You pretend to know about my car, how much power it should 'naturally' have, and how much I spent on it. This is an E92 M3 built as a TT3 car in Texas. The lower dyno runs are stock with new plugs, coils, and filter. The higher runs are with well over $5k in mods including Bimmerworld headers and full race exhaust, Macht Schnell Stage 2 intake, and underdrive pulleys. This is not unusual for S65s. So, now that it's clear that I don't have a 400hp car and I have only re-tuned it slightly to get a fairly flat curve with a 300hp peak, let's move on to the cost. For a ground up build, I spent about the same on my E92 M3 as I would have on an E46 M3, and significantly less than a 997 or Cayman would cost. All of those fit well into GTS3, so how much more do you think I have to spend before you think I should move up to GTS4? I can probably spend another $50k+ before I get to the cost of a newly built GTS3 Cayman. I'm glad you approve of my car being in 3 based on cost and real world 'natural' power. Your concept of displacement limits are foolish, will drive up costs and do absolutely nothing to reduce cheating, whether actual or perceived. If anything, it encourages cheating by providing an obvious benefit to built engines and aftermarket engine controls. It will also have to be constantly adjusted for newer technology and available engines. In your mind it may not have to change, since it looks like the displacement limits were determined (by you?) looking at a list of Porsche models over the past 35 years. The outlier is 928s which would all be in GTS5 despite making GTS2/3 power without an expensive custom built engine. I'm pretty sure Grand Am never said to an ST team "hey, you spent more than other teams and your displacement is slightly higher than our arbitrarily determined number, so you are now in GS". Even if they had, Grand Am is a Pro series with sponsors, paid drivers, and real winnings. We win wood plaques with stickers on them. People choose to race with NASA in GTS because they want to avoid the rules circus of PCA, BMWCCA, and especially SCCA. You might want to be careful when comparing your proposals to them. When you go from "look at how much better we are" to "hey, we aren't as bad as them", you have become as bad... I'm pretty sure most people joined GTS so we could build and race whatever we wanted within the simple and fair power to weight structure. You thought your displacement rule met harsh resistance. Let us know when you get your "dollars per class" rule written so we can universally pan it, point and laugh, then go race elsewhere. Thanks for the sarcastic banter. PS: I hear your 997 is for sale. Are you get tired of Spec-Cup Car or does it cost too much to run? Feel free to detune that thing to come play with the cool kids. Not only will you possibly have more fun, but you might save some maintenance money so you can afford to buy me a beer or two in thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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