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Has anyone thought about this in the ST Rules

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vlamgat

"9.5 On-Course Conduct

In addition to the passing rules in the NASA CCR, along any straight section of the track,

whether attempting to pass or attempting to prevent a pass, a driver that forces another

competitor to drive off the racing surface in order to prevent car-to-car contact will be penalized

by the Race Director. The penalty will be solely at the discretion of the Race Director, but the

suggested minimum penalty for such a dangerous and unsportsmanlike maneuver is

disqualification and a one race suspension."

 

Does this mean:

That an attempted pass (not wheels alongside any part of the leading car) "forcing" the passing car to go wheels off to complete the pass, would be subject to this censure?

That a "straight section" is any section that has no radius including all turn-in and track out areas?

"Attempting to pass" means having closed within (say) half a car length; or apparently faster; or able to get alongside any part of the leading car; or passing car has front wheels level with any part of the front door of the car being passed; or Race Director will determine based on the facts as perceived?

 

The answers may not be absolute but three well known Pros opined on this subject and I would be interested to see how their unanimous opinion differs from generally held beliefs.

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Alan_Wolfe

This would apply to a Pro? Wouldn't they be marked as a patsy after letting a competitor drive them off track? You'd think they'd hold their line at track edge and force contact if the SOB kept coming.

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vlamgat

You would think so but the Pro opinions I have seen in just such an incident says that the slower cars (not defined except that the leading car had been caught by the car attempting the pass) has an obligation to allow the pass and make racing room on the side being attempted especially if that side is the natural line for the up coming corner. This opinion was given in a no contact (13/13) environment so its obviously not applicable to the events in which the Pros drive but their view of the way a 13/13 environment intends for straight way passing to occur.

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vlamgat

You would think so but the Pro opinions I have seen in just such an incident says that the slower cars (not defined except that the leading car had been caught by the car attempting the pass) has an obligation to allow the pass and make racing room on the side being attempted especially if that side is the natural line for the up coming corner. This opinion was given in a no contact (13/13) environment so its obviously not applicable to the events in which the Pros drive but their view of the way a 13/13 environment intends for straight way passing to occur.

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Sterling Doc

The "in addition to the CCR" rules on passing, is an important point! The CCR is pretty extensive, and clear. They mostly deal with corners (including track in and track out) though, and ST decided to clarify what's (not) acceptable on the straights, picking up where the CCR leaves off.

 

The CCR, nor this rule says anything about obligations of a faster or slower car.

The CCR does state that the passing car has the primary obligation to complete a safe pass, which would tend towards the opposite of the slower car having the obligation to make room. This is not because the pros are "wrong", but because the setting is different. This is not pro racing. Priorities are different.

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Sterling Doc

The "in addition to the CCR" rules on passing, is an important point! The CCR is pretty extensive, and clear. They mostly deal with corners (including track in and track out) though, and ST decided to clarify what's (not) acceptable on the straights, picking up where the CCR leaves off.

 

The CCR, nor this rule says anything about obligations of a faster or slower car.

The CCR does state that the passing car has the primary obligation to complete a safe pass, which would tend towards the opposite of the slower car having the obligation to make room. This is not because the pros are "wrong", but because the setting is different. This is not pro racing. Priorities are different.

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vlamgat

I get the "addition" clarification and like the thought process that prompted this as it begs the questions from the CCR. I also was not implying that NASA or we should be adopting Pro rules or culture but was commenting on a 3 independent Pro reviews of a strictly amateur rule just like NASA's. So the implication of faster/slower vs Passing or being Passed was just there way of putting into words the judgement issues facing drivers upon which the Stewards usually have to rule after an incident. And Like you, I defer to the obligations of the overtaking car. However I did hear expressed at a TWS event last year an opinion from a "faster class" that they did not owe a duty to make a safe pass if the slower class obstructed them. They were going to make the pass and it was up to the slower classes to accept this was going to happen and keep clear. Mattered not whether it was a straight or a corner in their opinion. This is aggressive even for the Pros and it was interesting that Will sanctioned it as acceptable. But straights are where the most serious incidents happen because of the speed and inertia vectors so I am interested in just how much support your theory of "overtaking car keep clear obligation" really has? Or has NASA moved on and in some sense most people are there for the win/podium/points and the risk/reward is now worth the cost?

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