Balroks Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) I see it on the site but isn't announced yet so to start of the discussion: 1. You may already be working it but Yes, the +.2 4 door rule. Back when, you (Greg) said that you'd eventually get rid of the 4 door rule because of the e chassis folks and lessen the AWD penalties at the same time because the rules were outdated. I see the .2 is crossed out but the stiff AWD number remains. As evidenced by say....10 years of results...there has yet to be any "dominating" let alone podium finishing AWD chassis since the TTR days to justify it, plain and simple. In light of this I propose the following options ST1-3 = .0 (because it was .1 with the 4 door) ST4 = -.2 ST5/6 = -.4 ? OR Remove the AWD points and mandate a max tire width. ST3 and 4 get a 275 tire, ST2 gets a 295 tire, and ST1 gets a 315 or something (naturally following the section width rule) I think the points option is more of the direction you've been going over the past several years so it makes more sense but you tell us. If you're afraid of the Grid/Global guys coming over I wouldn't. Most of them can't drive and the cars are all HP which the rules already fix. Edited October 25, 2018 by Balroks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew W. Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 (edited) No thank you on the Maximum Tire Width stuff. This is addressed through credits for the smaller tire sizes currently and seems to work well. Not sure what the situation is in your region, but in SoCal there is a very competitive EVO in ST3 (Justin Bordonaro) and he was on pole for the ST3 race during Nationals at COTA this year. Edited November 7, 2018 by AZBOSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
427R Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Yea lets not mess with tire width rules, I'm happy where we're at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balroks Posted November 8, 2018 Author Share Posted November 8, 2018 Agreed but had to put it out there. Focusing back on the fact that Justin, myself and many others are getting wacked .2 for nothing other then satisfying a e36 debate ?. If one were to NOT mess with the rules as you said, then the .2 needs to get put back somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidfarmer Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Unless I'm misreading it, the ST rules still list 10" numbers, while the CCR says 12". The CCR also says that class rules over-ride the CCR, so 10" numbers are still legal for ST as of now. I also feel the 3100lb break between 245 and 275 tires in ST4 (on lower) should be 3000, as the weight break is. Having so many different "break" points for different modifications is overly complex. We get breaks and penalties for things, even when they are required in some cases, and a little streamlining would help in the future. And finally, while I like the averaging formula, it now takes me longer to do the paperwork for ST then the actual dyno time. No advice here, just letting people know if their dyno starts charging extra for the paperwork. Happy 2019 everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 10, 2019 National Staff Share Posted January 10, 2019 David, Start using the Avg HP calculator. It worked great at COTA. It cuts out almost all of the extra work. My understanding is that the CCR is going back to 10” car numbers 3100 was the number we came down to without full agreement, even though 3200 was the initial number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidfarmer Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) all I get are zero's and a nonsensical 13,430 max rpm. I'm using Winpep7 Edited January 11, 2019 by davidfarmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 11, 2019 National Staff Share Posted January 11, 2019 David, Dynojet has problems with one of their recent software updates. It’s not on the NASA side. They are planning to fix it. Please e-mail Roman (cc me) some of your recent run files, and we’ll see what the problem is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Roman V. Posted January 11, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, davidfarmer said: all I get are zero's and a nonsensical 13,430 max rpm. I'm using Winpep7 I am working on the directions on how to use the tool. As Greg said, email us your Dynojet file and we will test it out. Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidfarmer Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 here are some files if you didn't get them data-e30.txt data-st2.txt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 13, 2019 National Staff Share Posted January 13, 2019 David, I didn't get an e-mail--not sure if Roman did. But, please send the actual Dynojet file (along with your export file). Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 13, 2019 National Staff Share Posted January 13, 2019 However, I think the only issue is that you didn't uncheck all of the header and other boxes on the Export menu box. See this thread: Roman is working on getting the screen shot instructions for the Avg HP calculator posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidfarmer Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) for anyone watching this, we figured it out. You must export rpm and power only (no torque), and it must be comma delimited. If you get anything other than numbers and commas, it won't work. I sometimes get an "-inf" data point, which I assume is an error/"not enough data" marker. You need to either put a number in, or just delete that line from your txt file. Edited January 17, 2019 by davidfarmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik911 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I was the one who posted in the other thread. All I did was un-check all the boxes in the info/header area, selected tab delineated and unchecked the format for printing in data export window. This a snip from my .txt file and it has all of the info in it, rpm, hp, tq, afr? I uploaded the .txt and it worked? Using Winpep 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Roman V. Posted January 17, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, erik911 said: I was the one who posted in the other thread. All I did was un-check all the boxes in the info/header area, selected tab delineated and unchecked the format for printing in data export window. This a snip from my .txt file and it has all of the info in it, rpm, hp, tq, afr? I uploaded the .txt and it worked? Using Winpep 7. 3 You only need rpm and horsepower numbers. No torque. Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Roman V. Posted January 17, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, davidfarmer said: for anyone watching this, we figured it out. You must export rpm and power only (no torque), and it must be comma delimited. If you get anything other than numbers and commas, it won't work. I sometimes get an "-inf" data point, which I assume is an error/"not enough data" marker. You need to either put a number in, or just delete that line from your txt file. "inf" could be a bad RPM pickup point. Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik911 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Roman, This is true, only rpm and hp is what is required. All I was pointing out was if the run data includes all items (including tq and afr), for me anyway, it did not prevent the calculator from working. YMMV. Erik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Roman V. Posted January 17, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, erik911 said: Roman, This is true, only rpm and hp is what is required. All I was pointing out was if the run data includes all items (including tq and afr), for me anyway, it did not prevent the calculator from working. YMMV. Erik 2 The calculator might work. The result, however, might be incorrect. Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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