King Matt1548534716 Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 FYI, there's a new version of the 2007 NASA CCR out that says a side impact restraint system WILL be required in all race cars by July 1, 2007. It can be either a right-side net or a head-containment seat. It also says head-and-neck restraints MAY be required by the same date. Link is here (see page 67): http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renntag1548534718 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Or more specifically..... IMPORTANT NOTICE: Use of a head and neck restraint system or device, meeting SFIspecifications, may become mandatory for all road race series as of July 1, 2007. 15.17.9 Head Restraint – Side Impact As of July 1st, 2007 it is required that all drivers employ a right-side impact head restraint system. A seat with a “bolster†to keep the head from moving to the right side in an impact is acceptable. A side-impact head-net restraint system, such as Simpson part #36015P is also acceptable. Note- all side-impact head-net restraint systems must have a quick-release mechanism to aid the driver in case of a necessary egress via the passenger side. As found on page 67 of NASA CCR. Viewed as Page 81 of 138 in pdf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmc35 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Any possibility these two items could be an either/or kind of thing: head/neck restraint OR a right side impact system? I bought a HANS this year. Although I am still getting used to its impact on my ability to turn my head to look ahead/etc, I will stick with it. It is not clear to me how a right-side net adds something from a safety perspective, but it is clear to me that it's just one more thing to try to look through. -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady in Nomex Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 The safety net limits the travel of your head. Anything to keep your head from bouncing around the race car is good. I decided to get one of these before it was in the CCR for next season; I went with the Simpson. I'll post some pix of the install. I do have a HANS btw, its best protection is for back to front or front to back impact, side to side protection needs help. The side net is a good help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmc35 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 The safety net limits the travel of your head. Anything to keep your head from bouncing around the race car is good. I decided to get one of these before it was in the CCR for next season; I went with the Simpson. I'll post some pix of the install. I do have a HANS btw, its best protection is for back to front or front to back impact, side to side protection needs help. The side net is a good help. Thanks. The more pics the better; heck, I may even stop being bothered by this one. -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady in Nomex Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 No problem Chris, glad to be of help. It's our goal here to have fun, be smart, be safe and do it all on the cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Julie, could you post a pic of how the net is mounted? I can't seem to find instructions anywhere online before I buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllZWay Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Is the side restraints official now? What about the HANS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I can't get an idea of what the FRONT part of these nets are going to mount securely to. Something in the dash??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I can't get an idea of what the FRONT part of these nets are going to mount securely to. Something in the dash??? That's what I've been wondering, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carson Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 all attachment parts at local hardware store threaded eye bolt thru fire wall at correct angle for plastic coated flexable 1/4 " cable ( 7x19 ) w/ thimbles at both ends and swedged fittings.. measure in car before final cut be SURE to srip back the plastic BEFORE crimping I used bolt cutters to make the crimpes on the soft swedge fittings ( they wont let you use their swedge tool at store ) liability ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Matt1548534716 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 In order to properly install a right side net, you need to anchor the front of it to a horizontal dash bar that's high enough to position the front end of the net at the right height and angle. I've seen many cars where this would be impossible without adding an additional bar, and in order for the net to be close enough to the driver, it may need to run right through the factory gauge cluster. Safety Solutions has a wrap-around side net that attaches to the main hoop upright on the driver's side, wraps around the back and right side of the seat and is anchored up at the dash. Some Racetech seats incorporate guides on the seat structure to secure the net as it wraps around the seat, keeping it in the correct position close to the head so that it actually works. IMO, correctly installing a side net in a car such that it actually has a chance of working is a lot harder than it looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Matt, that's where I thought most were attached. In the circle track cars they have such a horizontal bar, but with my stock dash that's not likely gonna happen. Carson, not sure how/where I can get to the firewall with my stock dash in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Matt1548534716 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 Matt, that's where I thought most were attached. In the circle track cars they have such a horizontal bar, but with my stock dash that's not likely gonna happen. Carson, not sure how/where I can get to the firewall with my stock dash in the way. There's room, it just takes more work to install it. I don't like the idea of mounting to the firewall unless it's properly reinforced, for the same reason that I wouldn't bolt a seatbelt mount to floorpan sheetmetal. Whether you mount to a bar or the firewall, you're still going to need to pass the front anchor point of the net through the dash, and it may require some ugly modifications to get it in the right spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffburch Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 So, my seat is a tub of poo. If I replace it with this http://www.ultrashieldrace.com/prod.php?id=48 do I have to mess around with the side net or am I covered by the seat? jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Matt1548534716 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 (edited) The CCR says you can use a head-containment seat or a safety net to meet the requirement starting in mid-2007. Having both is preferable and what you see in most pro-built touring-type cars, but the rule says EITHER one is sufficient, so the answer is Yes. 15.17.9 Head Restraint – Side ImpactAs of July 1st, 2007 it is required that all drivers employ a right-side impact head restraintsystem. A seat with a “bolster†to keep the head from moving to the right side in an impact is acceptable. A side-impact head-net restraint system, such as Simpson part #36015P is also acceptable. Note- all side-impact head-net restraint systems must have a quick-release mechanism to aid the driver in case of a necessary egress via the passenger side. Edited January 3, 2007 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllZWay Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Other boards are discussing this issue also. This site has a couple of mounting pictures. http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=316338 http://44cup.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=1875&postid=9564 http://forums.nwhondachallenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=45&start=15&sid=87c671fe7e6c45a79c9f508160da0f94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony G Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Jeff, That would be fine and covered by the new rule,so your good to go. I have had a net on the right side of my seat for years..and used it only once I attached it right through a small slit I made in my dash and went to the firewall to attach as Carson mentioned above. Tony Guaglione Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsim Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Head supports available cheap from Kirkey: http://www.kirkeyracing.com/accessories.html#00100-00600 That's my plan anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmc35 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Brad - good info, thanks. I'm checking with UltraShield to find out if they have similar items. -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Brad - good info, thanks. I'm checking with UltraShield to find out if they have similar items. -chris http://www.ultrashieldrace.com/prod.php?id=19 I only know of that because I want to buy their pro seat. I'ld rather go wik the net as I believe it wouldn't be as sight obstructive. In order to properly install a right side net, you need to anchor the front of it to a horizontal dash bar that's high enough to position the front end of the net at the right height and angle. I've seen many cars where this would be impossible without adding an additional bar, and in order for the net to be close enough to the driver, it may need to run right through the factory gauge cluster. Safety Solutions has a wrap-around side net that attaches to the main hoop upright on the driver's side, wraps around the back and right side of the seat and is anchored up at the dash. Some Racetech seats incorporate guides on the seat structure to secure the net as it wraps around the seat, keeping it in the correct position close to the head so that it actually works. IMO, correctly installing a side net in a car such that it actually has a chance of working is a lot harder than it looks. Good to know. My front bar should be high enough. Does the net have to be straight forward from the seat, or is a slight angle okay? It's either make a whole in the cluster (bah) or go thru the a/c vent. I wonder if the g-force one attaches the same way and would be long enough. For $20, it won't kill the budget if it doesn't http://www.gforce.com/products/restraints/sprintcarnet.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony G Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Gary, Thats the one I have right now,it works fine and it has a downward travel to the dash,so I tie it to my cage behind me on my right and go towards my dash.. I just put a quick release on it and it works just perfect and it has no effect on my view out the right side. Tony Guaglione Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 i have the Ultrashield seat (the PRO RR 10 degree layback in 17" - i'm 220lbs @ 6'2"). i've been very happy w/ it. i've even converted a few TX guys over to them. i normally take a drive over to their shop to deal w/ them in person, and they are very nice guys to deal w/. i have no affiliation w/ them, but i am very happy w/ their products. i just picked up the right side restraint and will be installing it sometime before June or so. the RSR was like $30 which includes a cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmc35 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Glenn - I can't tell from the pic on Ultrashield's website how it attaches. Is it fairly straightforward? thanks, chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 its kind of a figure it out yourself kind of deal. it will need to be bolted or rivited in place. i plan on using 3-4 3/16" large head rivits to attach it. i just picked it up a few days before X-mas. it will be a few weeks before i make time to mount it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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