CMC2 declaration

[doug1548534725]

Messing around with the registration page, I see that you have to pick between CMC and CMC2 now. I don't think you had to do that before. Does this mean that you pick before you show up, and that's what you run the whole weekend with no option to change?

[Tony G]

No,you can always change,but you will need to go to T/S to change it in the system before you go out.

Also if you change classes during the weekend you will have to make sure your class markings on the car are correct and that you also tell your Director of the change.

Tony Guaglione

[Carson]

let's git this straight ...

 

your sayin we could be racin other cmc1 cars in the first race

then that cmc1 car is now a cmc2 car in the next race or

all of a sudden we're racin a cmc1 cars that was a cmc2 car the race before ??

 

all of this by inserting or removin restrictor plates ??

this seems to be adding more confusion as to who is in what class from race to race

what does a car have to gain by swiching back and forth ??

is it alll about Toyo bucks ??

I suggest it be mandatory to stick with one class for the weekend

[Tony G]

Carson,

Nothing to do with Toyo bucks at all.

As long as you play it correct you can change when you want, but remember you will likely always go to the back since we always grid on previous race results and or qualifying.

So its fair to everyone.

Tony Guaglione

[Glenn]

i feel one must declare prior to qual. this will be enforced in the Texas region.

also, the series directors should point out those folks who have declared something other than what they ran the race prior. as a fellow compeditor, you should also go out of your way to inform all those folks your on track w/ about your change.

 

but yes, CMC/CMC2 eligable cars can move at will.

 

in fact, theres no reason a CMC car cant move to AI if he wants. or AI to CMC as long as the car is class legal.

[Carson]

OK , the car changing class is at the back of the field for the next start

my above example was to point out the difficultly identifying a cmc1 from a cmc2 that has now changed class in the middle of a weekend

do I pass this car to improve my position , then find out that it was not in my class or race the car tryin to pass me on the last lap to find out I could have let it go ( different class )

suggestions

#1 perhaps we should require identifying mark like a cmc1 cars to have a single "I" and a cmc2 to have a "II" on the front and rear as they have a cmc2 on the sides

#2 as annual dyno sheets are already required for each restritor plate used.then there should be a windshield sticker for both cmc1 + cmc2 on the cars running both classes

#3 explain switching classes in the rules

also , can someone explain why a car would jump back and forth between

classes ?

[doug1548534725]

If there's only one car in CMC2 and you switch up, you're guaranteed at least second place!

[bsim]

I say the declaration must be made for the weekend.

 

NO MORE of this "you built your CMC car over power" (and got caught), and magically wind up in CMC2 as a safety net. I believe this will encourage rule "streching".

 

You're either CMC2 or not.

[Mike D1548534719]

Do you have to have two Dyno sheets as well? one for cmc and one for cmc2

 

Mike D

[Glenn]

Do you have to have two Dyno sheets as well? one for cmc and one for cmc2

 

Mike D

 

yes.

[Lady in Nomex]

I like the "in for the weekend" idea.

[GT4Point6]

Two things and a rule change proposal:

 

First, declaring for the weekend is a good idea.

 

Second, use these numbers (5" block "2" front and rear), Boudy printed them for us at the NATS and very easily clarified who was who for the final race, peel and stick.

Easy, cheap, effective. What more could you ask for?

 

http://www.margetta-racing.com/pics/2.jpg

http://www.margetta-racing.com/pics/2r.jpg

 

Rule change: CMC2 must run the 5" white #2 front and rear windows centered at the top. This does not hinder vision in any way and is very visable to all.

[AllZWay]

I like the "in for the weekend" idea.

 

I also like the "in for the weekend" idea.

[Carson]

KM , the reason i suggested the "II" was that it could be done with tape

another question ..

how many cars does it take to make up a class ?

AND is it the same number to qualify for Toyo bucks ?

[bsim]

1 for a class, 5 for Toyo bucks.

[Adam Ginsberg]

Not that I'm able to run CMC2 any time soon, but Kevin's ( and others ) idea about declaring what class to run for the weekend is an excellent one.

 

Second, use these numbers (5" block "2" front and rear), Boudy printed them for us at the NATS and very easily clarified who was who for the final race, peel and stick.

Easy, cheap, effective. What more could you ask for?

 

http://www.margetta-racing.com/pics/2.jpg

http://www.margetta-racing.com/pics/2r.jpg

 

Rule change: CMC2 must run the 5" white #2 front and rear windows centered at the top. This does not hinder vision in any way and is very visable to all.

 

This should be a rule change. Adding the "2" to the windshield is a great idea. Even though I knew who was running CMC2 at the Nats, it still was helpful to see who was in the rearview mirror.

[King Matt1548534716]

I like the weekend declaration too.

 

Also, there is a very small Toyo payout starting at 3 cars in class, with a small bump for 4 and a huge jump at 5 cars.

[Al F.]

I'd say lets leave this as is and see how it works in reality instead of how we fear it might not work.

 

If CMC2 has five cars and one breaks in practice, then all four remaining cars just got less Toyo$ unless someone comes in to fill the 5th spot. I'd prefer to keep that flexibility. As a matter of fact, that's been the real driver for most cmc2 entries so far anyway.

 

As it is now, just like declaring team/driver, you must do it in advance of when it becomes a competitive advantage or you go to the back of the grid. I think that's fair. (its all in the CCR)

 

Lets see just how often people are jumping around, and just how confused people really are before we legislate a few more pages into the books.

[Glenn]

wow Al, the sky aint falling where you are?

[Carson]

what's the problem with identifying the cmc2 cars from the front + back ?

dyno sheets and windshield stickers ?

[Lady in Nomex]

NO MORE of this "you built your CMC car over power" (and got caught), and magically wind up in CMC2 as a safety net. I believe this will encourage rule "streching".

 

After giving it some thought I think a one time switch to CMC2 for going over power is ok without penalty as it is very hard to predict how a new motor especially will respond after putting some miles on it. After the second strike you're fun running for the rest of the weekend sounds good to address the above concern.

[Keith]

I like the weekend declaration too.

 

Also, there is a very small Toyo payout starting at 3 cars in class, with a small bump for 4 and a huge jump at 5 cars.

 

With the car counts that we've been seeing and expect to see, staying flexible in our region might make more sense.

 

My attitude is to leave it up to the Regional Coordinator to decide when one has to declare.

[King Matt1548534716]

In the Midwest and Ohio-Indiana regions, I don't expect to see too many CMC-2 cars next year. There is one I know of for sure, but it will be running HPDE for most of the season. The rest would probably be people switching a CMC car to CMC-2, and given the relatively small fields we have now, I would prefer to see the effort concentrated on growing a single core class group rather than pulling a restrictor plate just to run a second a lap quicker all by yourself. In regions where there are already 5 or more CMC-2 cars, there might be different considerations.

[Glenn]

I like the weekend declaration too.

 

Also, there is a very small Toyo payout starting at 3 cars in class, with a small bump for 4 and a huge jump at 5 cars.

 

With the car counts that we've been seeing and expect to see, staying flexible in our region might make more sense.

 

My attitude is to leave it up to the Regional Coordinator to decide when one has to declare.

 

we have a winner!

[doug1548534725]

After giving it some thought I think a one time switch to CMC2 for going over power is ok without penalty as it is very hard to predict how a new motor especially will respond after putting some miles on it. After the second strike you're fun running for the rest of the weekend sounds good to address the above concern.

 

What you're suggesting implies that someone may run for 3 or 4 weekends before getting "caught" with an easy out, since cars aren't dynoed at every track. Which I guess isn't much different than if you take CMC2 out of the picture, but the CMC2 class is being used here to offer a way to still make points in another class as a freebie if you're over. That protects the guy that got caught going over, not everyone else that didn't.

 

I think declaring your car as whatever you want is fine, as long as it's clearly marked on the outside, and you go to the back of the grid for your class if you do not have an eligible grid position derived from an in-class run (previous race or qualifying).

 

As an aside, how is this handled in inverted starts? Will someone who just changed class and doesn't have a qualifying time go to the front of the pack, which is where slow-timers grid?