King Matt1548534716 Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Right Matt, he must be running a SCAT crank, H beam rods and an internal balance crank. i bet it dont last him 1 race weekend. And that would affect HP in what way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 it wouldnt. just pointing out how yours and his definition of stock differs. thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasa-rm Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Simple. Start with an unrestricted bone-stock 260HP engine We're talking about a stock 5.0L here, right? Your definition of "bone-stock" must be a little different than mine. 4.6L PI motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHISSTC Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Scott, I think spacers are OK in CMC, I'd have to check. The other thing would be to offset cam/crank timing, but I don't think that's legal. The car looks and sounds good on the dyno, but sorry man. No EFI spacers allowed. I'll let you check on the offset cam/crank timing. I don't recall seeing anything about it in the CMC rules, which translates to "not allowed". (kind of like a rear shock tower brace) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichV Posted May 1, 2008 Author Share Posted May 1, 2008 The car looks and sounds good on the dyno, but sorry man. No EFI spacers allowed. I'll let you check on the offset cam/crank timing. I don't recall seeing anything about it in the CMC rules, which translates to "not allowed". (kind of like a rear shock tower brace) I don't run a spacer Scott. The brace is a nice unit. My buddy makes them and wanted to get some install pics on a fox. Yes, I know it is not legal. Thanks for pointing that out BTW. This is the thanks I get for helping you guys in March?? I think you still have my dustshield on your car. And, I still have a scar from your seat brace!! Punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHISSTC Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 I don't run a spacer Scott. The brace is a nice unit. My buddy makes them and wanted to get some install pics on a fox. Yes, I know it is not legal. Thanks for pointing that out BTW. This is the thanks I get for helping you guys in March?? I think you still have my dustshield on your car. And, I still have a scar from your seat brace!! Punk. I know you don't run a spacer. It was a suggestion for you as a way to build back some of your torque if it had been legal. What seat brace? Run the rear tower brace. Just don't ask what our car weighs. I'll bring you two shiney new dust caps for you this month. Do you want me to paint them black match your wheels, or keep them silver to match your lug nuts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Shaw Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Whats funny is the slowest/heaviest/most under powered hunk of poo poo is sitting 3rd in points. Let Rich make 300hp and he will still be looking at the rear bumper of my car. kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichV Posted May 2, 2008 Author Share Posted May 2, 2008 I'll bring you two shiney new dust caps for you this month. Do you want me to paint them black match your wheels, or keep them silver to match your lug nuts? I'd like them white with a little #71 in red on each one. I'll have another one on it. But, it may be a good thing for someone to have a spare or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichV Posted May 2, 2008 Author Share Posted May 2, 2008 Whats funny is the slowest/heaviest/most under powered hunk of poo poo is sitting 3rd in points. Let Rich make 300hp and he will still be looking at the rear bumper of my car. kyle Keep it comin' tough guy. You better ride that '3rd in points' pony as far as you can. You just have MAD driving skills. And, I had a rod sitting in my oil pan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Shaw Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Whats funny is the slowest/heaviest/most under powered hunk of poo poo is sitting 3rd in points. Let Rich make 300hp and he will still be looking at the rear bumper of my car. kyle Keep it comin' tough guy. You better ride that '3rd in points' pony as far as you can. You just have MAD driving skills. And, I had a rod sitting in my oil pan. Excuses excuses. If you where a real man you would have dropped that oil pan, yanked the broken rod and bearing, tossed it all back together and spanked the CMC field whole drinking coffee and eating a Danish. Rich that car is gonna scream. I'm a dead man and Mike and Chris better watch out for ol #71. kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JermBua Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 The Cobra intake is probably hurting your torque numbers. My 5.0L makes 229/294 with E7s and a stock intake, stock 1.6 rockers and an HO cam. Ford revised the Cobra cam specifically to address lost low-end performance from the GT40 intake. Hey Matt, you might be my new hero. Those are some empressive numbers for a 5.0. I'm a rookie in calif currently 2nd in points for cmc. I'm running a 95 mustang with the 5.0. I've rebuilt the engine with the cobra cam and the 1.7 rockers, stock intake. currently making 216/173. Any advice would be great. I need to catch Plum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Matt1548534716 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Three words: Explorer short-block. 100 bucks at any junkyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmc35 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 I thought the Explorer stuff was verboten? -chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADVENM Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 I'm very confident when I say CMC #6 will be the slowest car, just as long as we cross the checkered flag I'm happy. I hope to return the favor to you Rich, Kyle and all my fellow NASA RM bro's should anything happen to your cars and I somehow have something or can offer something to get your cars back on the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichV Posted May 2, 2008 Author Share Posted May 2, 2008 Thanks Dave! I'm sure I'll be taking you up on something for sure! Not sure if the Exploders are different. Is the cam/CR/pistons/crank the same as a Stang 5.0L? I know their intakes are a GT40 type, but I know those are not allowed as are the GT40P heads. ?? Dunno. I just need about 25 Ft/Lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony G Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 No Explorer stuff allowed. Explorer is not a Mustang Tony Guaglione Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHISSTC Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I'm very confident when I say CMC #6 will be the slowest car, just as long as we cross the checkered flag I'm happy. That may depend on who's driving. Actually I'm just happy to have the car start and finish a race too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHISSTC Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Three words: Explorer short-block. 100 bucks at any junkyard. No Explorer stuff allowed. Explorer is not a Mustang Maybe that could be rephrased as "No Explorer specific stuff allowed." As far as engine parts are concerned, it doesn't bother me a bit if the primary engine components come from a Mustang, Explorer, F150, Mercury, or Lincoln as long as the part in question has the same Ford part number as one that was also used as an original part on a Mustang. E7 heads are E7 heads no matter if they were sourced from a F150, Mark VII, or a Mustang GT. They are all exactly identical and have the same part numbers. However, as the rules are currently written, even though an Explorer upper and lower intake manifold are essentially the same basic design as the upper and lower intake on a Mustang Cobra, there are some external cosmetic differences that also include a few vacuum port changes. These items do not have the same part numbers as those used on a Mustang, and therefore can not be used. As with anything else, I see a balance to be struk here too. Rather than get into a long winded rant with pro/con examples, suffice to say that I do not 100% agree with either of the above quotations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Matt1548534716 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 A short-block does not include heads or intake--that's a long-block. The Explorer short-block uses the same PN block, crank and rods as a Mustang. The pistons are hypereutectic flat-tops with four valve reliefs, just like in the 93-95 Mustangs. If you are running an FRPP replacement short-block purchased since about 1995, I GUARANTEE you already have an Explorer short-block, because that is what Ford used as service replacements and sold as crate engines. Besides, since the only difference is the pistons, it falls into the amorphous gray-area we already have on replacement pistons. For the record, here's my combination that makes 231/294: Stock 5.0L HO upper/lower intake Stock 19 lb injectors Stock HO MAF and throttle body Stock E7 heads that I had rebuilt for 200 bucks about 6 years ago New FRPP replacement short-block (production Explorer actually) Stock 91 HO roller cam (heads and cam came from the same junkyard 91 Mustang) Stock 1.6 stamped rocker arms Stock factory air box w/K&N panel filter Stock A9L computer w/Painless wiring harness Stock HO tubular exhaust manifolds w/BBK X-pipe and open exhaust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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