larry klamecki Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 I appreciate the feedback on the LS1/4.6L 3v weight allocations. I certainly realize the effort the directors make to equalize engine/chassis combinations, particularly when dealing with new chassis (S197) without a lengthy "track record." Of course, I'm particularly interested in the S197 as we're running one in CMC2 in California. Just as has been done with the GM chassis, we're planning to establish a S197 baseline this coming year to, hopelfully, address the weigh penalty objectively. It would be helpful if we knew the procedures and data necessary to give the directors a comfort level when considering the S197 weight allocation. Notwithstanding the discussion, we're really enjoying our CMC experience and fully recognize the great work of the directors in the series. Larry Klamecki 2006 Mustang GT #7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchntx1548534714 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Pet cat in U.S. catches swine flu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMark Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 So if I'm reading your post correctly, Al. A 1999 - 2004 Mustang with a 302 will be 3200lb? that is the 50 lb reduction for the chassis and a 50lb penalty for the lighter engine. If that is the case I think that is perfectly fair. -Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Chicca Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Will a "red lined" or "changes only" version of the 2010 rules be posted so that we have a concise listing of only the changes? Found this really helpful in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al F. Posted November 5, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 5, 2009 Yes Don, thats it. Thanks guys for the feedback. Karl, Dave...yes yes, I'll send Brad a redline version to post. You'd think I would have a checklist for this time of year by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4Point6 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Yes Don, thats it. Thanks guys for the feedback. Karl, Dave...yes yes, I'll send Brad a redline version to post. You'd think I would have a checklist for this time of year by now It's not like you guys have been busy or anything Thanks guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsim Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 2010 rules with redlines are now posted. Thanks for the update Al... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBody383 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 2010 rules with redlines are now posted. Thanks for the update Al... Super Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depaja Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 There is a Ford OEM 2V aluminum block engine. It is from: 2002–2005 Ford Explorer, 239 hp (178 kW) and 282 lb·ft It is a very popular engine in the Mustang drag world. They can be had for around $1k from Greenleaf where an iron Mustang PI runs around $1.6k Would the Explorer PI 4.6 be legal in CMC2 with the added 50lbs? That combo would be a ton cheaper than getting a cobra block and putting 2V heads on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4Point6 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 While the block should be, not sure if the heads are the same or the intake. Worse case, use the short block. Best case, just change the intake. I'm sure a director will chime in. I'm not familiar with that engine in the Explorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacabuche Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 What about a modular 2V in a fox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depaja Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) What about a modular 2V in a fox? I think rule 7.3 won't let you do that. "7.3 Update/Backdate Non-body Components Non-body components may be updated/backdated within cars of the same manufacturer on the eligible manufacturers/models list (i.e. 1982-92 GM Early components may NOT be interchanged with 1993-97 GM Late components) unless noted elsewhere in these rules." In 6.1 Classification it has: Early Ford through 1993 engine 5.0. Edited November 18, 2009 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depaja Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 While the block should be, not sure if the heads are the same or the intake. Worse case, use the short block. Best case, just change the intake. I'm sure a director will chime in. I'm not familiar with that engine in the Explorer. I think the intake is the same. I'm pretty sure the heads are just PI heads. The difference I think is in the cams and the Engine Control Unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacabuche Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 What about a modular 2V in a fox? I think rule 7.3 won't let you do that. "7.3 Update/Backdate Non-body Components Non-body components may be updated/backdated within cars of the same manufacturer on the eligible manufacturers/models list (i.e. 1982-92 GM Early components may NOT be interchanged with 1993-97 GM Late components) unless noted elsewhere in these rules." In 6.1 Classification it has: Early Ford through 1993 engine 5.0. Just throwing the concept out there, since 3rd gen camaros can now have LT1 engines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiMifan Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 It's one step away from American Iron--any engine in any chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depaja Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 It's one step away from American Iron--any engine in any chassis. True, it is kind of like an arms race. I'm not going to put an aluminum block in my '98 since I really want to start in CMC1 and my engine is fine. But if I blow that one up I'd love the option to be able put an Explorer engine in instead of having to buy a cobra engine and tossing the heads only to put 2V heads on it. What really attracted me to CMC is the rules against mods and to try and keep things cheap. My point about the Explorer engine was not to game the system, but in the spirit of keeping things cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 It's one step away from American Iron--any engine in any chassis. any reason you have still decided to not identify yourself after multiple requests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Den341548534727 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 We should give out some prizes to whoever can guess the identity of KimiFan. I have some things I can donate. I have some floor mats and a cardboard crown from Burger King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 i've got a pretty good idea. i just want him to come clean w/ it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al F. Posted November 19, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 Mike Lets find out the details around the motor. Fundamentally if its the same block its the same block, regardless of what chassis it was originally bolted into. As far as the arms race, you'll notice we hit the aluminum 4.6s with a weight penalty this year, the entire purpose of which is to balance the value Vs an iron block. Yep, with an AL block you have better front/rear balance capability, but you have higher total mass. Fundamentally, the difference between CMC and AI should not be measured as the number of options a driver has, rather the impact of those options to on track performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depaja Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 MikeLets find out the details around the motor. Fundamentally if its the same block its the same block, regardless of what chassis it was originally bolted into. Thanks Al. Like I said I'm not looking to go to that engine, but would like the option someday since it can be had cheap. The drag guys love it because of the weight loss and how cheap they can be had. It really should have been the engine Ford put in the new edge GTs all along, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsim Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 C'mon Al, dontcha remember being down this road before? Though nothing came of it I believe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakebit Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 We should give out some prizes to whoever can guess the identity of KimiFan. I have some things I can donate. I have some matt board and a cardboard crown from Burger King fixed it for ya John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 We should give out some prizes to whoever can guess the identity of KimiFan. I have some things I can donate. I have some matt board and a cardboard crown from Burger King fixed it for ya John Once apon a time in a Kingdom far far away, lived a young girl who dreamed of riding the pretty pony Mustang. She had heard stories from her great uncle Harley who said the Mustangs only lived on the far side of the Matterhorn near the town of Zermatt. She knew the only way she could ever get there was if she could capture the elusive and often dangerous Firebird.... to be continued! Sidney CMC #64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchntx1548534714 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I have some floor mats and a cardboard crown from Burger King If you didn't figure it out from that, then maybe you should be tested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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