roadracerwhite Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Got some more work done this last couple weeks; Redid the fuel cell area, this wasn't necessary but it has been something I wanted to do for a long time. I just was never happy with how the cover was attached. Finally completely removed the bars protruding from the firewall. They have been cut for a while now, I just had not had the motor out to get at the areas. Next up was fixing the crushed area next to the frame rail on the drivers side. Some of the spot welds have failed and it was crushed pretty bad. I cut off the piece along the line and pounded and bent it back to close to what it should be and re welded the spot welds on the inside which were broken. Ready to weld back on; After this is welded back on then I have to fix the rust issues in the same area on both sides. After that I can finally put on the subframe connectors/jacking rails. I bought the ones from JEGS FYI. Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastntim Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Looking good. 82 days to Autobahn! Better get that thing put back together! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadracerwhite Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 So I bought some subframe connectors to use mostly as jacking rails, but also as subframe connectors. These are made to be bolted on, but I am going to weld them on as well. The problem with welding them on is that I am going to have to add more material to them to connect them to anything substantial, and add more material on the passenger side to make it a complete jacking rail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastntim Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Looking Good! 71 Days and counting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadracerwhite Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 So it isn't really close enough to the body seam in most spots to be able to weld it there. Looks like I am going to be able to weld them to the floor in the front and weld them to the body seam and the suspension pick up point/subframe in the rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Al F. Posted February 12, 2013 Members Share Posted February 12, 2013 Just dont stich them along the length. Front and back only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadracerwhite Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 10-4 If anyone is interested they weight 16lbs a piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nape1548534725 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 If anyone is interested they weight 16lbs a piece. *cringe* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Algozine Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Just dont stich them along the length. Front and back only What is the reasoning behind not allowing them to be stitched the entire length? Wouldn't that help the longevity of the chassis, which would significantly lower long term cost for a very inexpensive and simple item ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Just dont stich them along the length. Front and back only What is the reasoning behind not allowing them to be stitched the entire length? Wouldn't that help the longevity of the chassis, which would significantly lower long term cost for a very inexpensive and simple item ? Its that line in the sand thing again. Been that way forever. Wanna change it? Please submit an RCR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Algozine Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Just dont stich them along the length. Front and back only What is the reasoning behind not allowing them to be stitched the entire length? Wouldn't that help the longevity of the chassis, which would significantly lower long term cost for a very inexpensive and simple item ? Its that line in the sand thing again. Been that way forever. Wanna change it? Please submit an RCR. I did back in Oct. One of the Director replys was that the chassis is a wear item and we should plan to replace it when its needed. Doesn't seem like a very cost effective method to me. But what do I know, I'm just an AI light wanabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastntim Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 , I'm just an AI light wanabe. But surprisingly we like you anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Just dont stich them along the length. Front and back only What is the reasoning behind not allowing them to be stitched the entire length? Wouldn't that help the longevity of the chassis, which would significantly lower long term cost for a very inexpensive and simple item ? Its that line in the sand thing again. Been that way forever. Wanna change it? Please submit an RCR. I did back in Oct. One of the Director replys was that the chassis is a wear item and we should plan to replace it when its needed. Doesn't seem like a very cost effective method to me. But what do I know, I'm just an AI light wanabe. I agree w/ what you want. I even took it one step further and asked to be allowed to attach the main hoop and forward down bars to the chassis a set length of linear inches per bar to aid in chassis longevity. I got shot down as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHISSTC Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I agree w/ what you want. I even took it one step further and asked to be allowed to attach the main hoop and forward down bars to the chassis a set length of linear inches per bar to aid in chassis longevity. I got shot down as well. I'm going to argue the other way and say while maybe it is not what we'd all ideally like to have, the line drawn in the sand is OK where it is right now for the average CMC racers with average skills and average wallet depth. Because if you allow the above, then why not allow through-the-floor bracing between the front subframe and the rear subframe, or across-the-tunnel bracing? And then if you allow that, why not allow cage bars extending forward to the shock towers, and so on, and so on... ...all in the name of increasing chassis longevity of course? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastntim Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I'm going to argue the other way and say while maybe it is not what we'd all ideally like to have, the line drawn in the sand is OK where it is right now for the average CMC racers with average skills and average wallet depth. Because if you allow the above, then why not allow through-the-floor bracing between the front subframe and the rear subframe, or across-the-tunnel bracing? And then if you allow that, why not allow cage bars extending forward to the shock towers, and so on, and so on... ...all in the name of increasing chassis longevity of course? Nothing personal Scott, but it's statements like this that make me question the duration that I will want to stay in CMC as opposed to another racing series. When someone suggests a simple and easy fix like stitching subframe connectors, when the subframe connectors are already allowed and someone starts one of these arguements like "Where will it ever end", I become more than frustrated. In your argument, why didn't you just keep going to suggest that a full tubular frame? It's no different from the ridiculous four page thread arguing back and forth about having adjustable spring perches but making them be nonadjustable. Someone automatically brings up the "Slippery Slope" argument again and in their example they usually end up referencing some extreme like IRS. Can't we use some rational thought in deciding what is "too much" rather than arguing that EVERY SINGLE CHANGE is going to send the series to AI proportions? I understand the idea behind the series. We all do. That is why we picked it but when the series directors make decisions that will increase the cost for the racers by disallowing a simple thing like stiching in subframe connectors simply because it is a change, I begin to question if this is the right series for me. Sorry for the rant, but I really get tired of the slippery slope argument that immediately shows up anytime any change to the rules is suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHISSTC Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Can't we use some rational thought in deciding what is "too much" rather than arguing that EVERY SINGLE CHANGE is going to send the series to AI proportions? I understand the idea behind the series. We all do. That is why we picked it but when the series directors make decisions that will increase the cost for the racers by disallowing a simple thing like stiching in subframe connectors simply because it is a change, I begin to question if this is the right series for me. Sorry for the rant, but I really get tired of the slippery slope argument that immediately shows up anytime any change to the rules is suggested. Nothing personal taken, good feedback. While I'd personally like to see more strategic stitch welding of spot welded joints in every chassis, I still think we are pretty OK where we are right now with the allowances that were made for 2013. I think we're dangerously close to taking over a thread with semi-related discussion that really wasn't the intent of the original post. I want to see more inspirational build pictures of a 3rd gen F-body! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastntim Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I think we're dangerously close to taking over a thread with semi-related discussion that really wasn't the intent of the original post. I want to see more inspirational build pictures of a 3rd gen F-body! Agreed! Bryan, get it in gear! 65 Days to Autobahn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadracerwhite Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 I think we're dangerously close to taking over a thread with semi-related discussion that really wasn't the intent of the original post. I want to see more inspirational build pictures of a 3rd gen F-body! Agreed! Bryan, get it in gear! 65 Days to Autobahn! Had a couple distractions the last couple weeks, hope to get back out there every night again shortly. I don't want to say I am not going to make Autobahn, but it is going to be close for sure. I also have a tire and wheel situation/debate going on right now as well. Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Algozine Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I think we're dangerously close to taking over a thread with semi-related discussion that really wasn't the intent of the original post. I want to see more inspirational build pictures of a 3rd gen F-body! Agreed! Bryan, get it in gear! 65 Days to Autobahn! Had a couple distractions the last couple weeks, hope to get back out there every night again shortly. I don't want to say I am not going to make Autobahn, but it is going to be close for sure. I also have a tire and wheel situation/debate going on right now as well. Bryan Distractions.............I think I win that category Here..... does this make you feel any better ? Photo taken two nights ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Algozine Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I'm going to argue the other way and say while maybe it is not what we'd all ideally like to have, the line drawn in the sand is OK where it is right now for the average CMC racers with average skills and average wallet depth. Because if you allow the above, then why not allow through-the-floor bracing between the front subframe and the rear subframe, or across-the-tunnel bracing? And then if you allow that, why not allow cage bars extending forward to the shock towers, and so on, and so on... ...all in the name of increasing chassis longevity of course? Nothing personal Scott, but it's statements like this that make me question the duration that I will want to stay in CMC as opposed to another racing series. When someone suggests a simple and easy fix like stitching subframe connectors, when the subframe connectors are already allowed and someone starts one of these arguements like "Where will it ever end", I become more than frustrated. In your argument, why didn't you just keep going to suggest that a full tubular frame? It's no different from the ridiculous four page thread arguing back and forth about having adjustable spring perches but making them be nonadjustable. Someone automatically brings up the "Slippery Slope" argument again and in their example they usually end up referencing some extreme like IRS. Can't we use some rational thought in deciding what is "too much" rather than arguing that EVERY SINGLE CHANGE is going to send the series to AI proportions? I understand the idea behind the series. We all do. That is why we picked it but when the series directors make decisions that will increase the cost for the racers by disallowing a simple thing like stiching in subframe connectors simply because it is a change, I begin to question if this is the right series for me. Sorry for the rant, but I really get tired of the slippery slope argument that immediately shows up anytime any change to the rules is suggested. Can I get an amen from someone in the congregation ??? AMEN I always ask the same question..........These are race cars...........right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cozog1548534733 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Nothing personal Scott, but it's statements like this that make me question the duration that I will want to stay in CMC as opposed to another racing series. When someone suggests a simple and easy fix like stitching subframe connectors, when the subframe connectors are already allowed and someone starts one of these arguements like "Where will it ever end", I become more than frustrated. In your argument, why didn't you just keep going to suggest that a full tubular frame? It's no different from the ridiculous four page thread arguing back and forth about having adjustable spring perches but making them be nonadjustable. Someone automatically brings up the "Slippery Slope" argument again and in their example they usually end up referencing some extreme like IRS. Can't we use some rational thought in deciding what is "too much" rather than arguing that EVERY SINGLE CHANGE is going to send the series to AI proportions? I understand the idea behind the series. We all do. That is why we picked it but when the series directors make decisions that will increase the cost for the racers by disallowing a simple thing like stiching in subframe connectors simply because it is a change, I begin to question if this is the right series for me. Sorry for the rant, but I really get tired of the slippery slope argument that immediately shows up anytime any change to the rules is suggested. Bravo my friend, bravo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cozog1548534733 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Distractions.............I think I win that category Here..... does this make you feel any better ? Photo taken two nights ago. You're gonna need a bigger trash can... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nape1548534725 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 You're gonna need a bigger trash can... Interior parts go in the trash can, metal goes to the scrap yard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raybob92891548534723 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 some stuff goes on ebay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadracerwhite Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 Well the first event is 7 weeks away and I keep chipping away at it. The good news is that I am almost done with all the repairs/things which should have been done when the car was first built. Yes I am adding a bunch of weight with the subframe connectors, however it is going to make life at the track so much easier. One of the repairs I am working on now is the shifter plate area. So in the picture here is the replacement panel over the top of my floor. Amazing the difference, the black piece is from a 1992 car while my car is a 1984. I wonder when they started putting the ribs in the floor. After the shifter plate, I have some block off plates in the interior on the drivers side to put in to control engine fumes/heat from the engine compartment. Then I will start painting the inside and the bottom. Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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