National Staff Greg G. Posted January 5, 2006 National Staff Share Posted January 5, 2006 (edited) This is the list of cars that have been classified or re-classified after the release of the Revised 2006 rules v.3.9.6 (4-17-06). BMW M6 ('06+)---TTA* 10-8-06 Datsun 510 (96 hp)---TTG** 10-27-06 Datsun 510 (L20B swap)(117hp)---TTF** 10-27-06 Diasio D962R---TTR 7-20-06 Dodge Omni GLHS---TTE* 7-20-06 Eagle Talon 2.0L (135-140hp)---TTF 4-28-06 Fiat 128 1.1L (55-60 hp)---TTH* 8-7-06 Ford Pinto 1.6L---TTH* 6-20-06 new Ford Pinto 2.3L---TTG 6-20-06 new Ford Pinto 2.8L---TTG* 6-20-06 new Mazda MX-6 ('88-'91)(2.2L, 110hp)---TTG 9-22-06 new Mazda RX7 13B GSL-SE (1st gen)---TTE 3-29-06 changed (re-classified before the 3.9.6 revision, but a clerical error left it out of the rules) Merkur XR4Ti (170hp turbo)---TTE* 10-27-06 MG Midget 1.1L, 1.3L, 1.5L---TTG** 6-20-06 Nissan Altima 3.5L---TTE** 10-8-06 Noble M12 GT-3R (332 hp 3.0L V6)---TTU 7-20-06 Noble M400 (425hp 3.0L V6)---TTR 7-20-06 Opel Mantra (80hp)---TTH** 10-27-06 Toyota Tercel ('88-'90)(78hp)---TTH** 9-22-06 VW Scirocco 1.8L DOHC---TTF 10-27-06 re-classed This is the list of cars that were classified or re-classified after the release of the 2006 rules but prior to the release of the version 3.9.6 revision. All of these have been incorporated into the TT Rules v.3.9.6 Austin Mini 1L (<40 hp)---TTH 1-30-06 new Austin Mini 1L, 1.1L (40-47hp)---TTH 1-30-06 new BMW 2002 ('68-'74)---TTG** 1-25-06 new BMW 2002 ('75-'76) (2403#)---TTG* 1-25-06 new BMW 2002tii (130hp)---TTF* 1-25-06 new BMW M-Coupe/Roadster (240hp)---TTD* changed Chevrolet Corvette C4 ('85-'91)---TTD* 1-16-06 changed Chevrolet Corvette C4 ('92-'96)---TTC 1-16-06 changed Chevrolet Corvette C4 (LT4 option)(330hp)---TTC* 2-19-06 new--may update to GS tire size. Ford Focus 2.0L (16v Zetec)---TTF 2-16-06 changed Honda Accord 2.2L---TTG** 2-21-06 changed Honda Civic Coupe 1.8L ('06)---TTF* 1-18-06 changed Honda Civic del Sol S (<107hp)---TTG** 4-5-06 new Honda Civic del Sol Si (<128hp)---TTF 4-5-06 new Honda Civic del Sol VTEC (DOHC 1.6L)---TTE 4-5-06 new Honda Civic Si 2.0L ('06) (197hp)---TTE 1-18-06 changed Mazda RX7 12A---TTG** 2-27-06 changed Mazda RX7 13B (2nd gen)---TTE* 2-27-06 changed Mercedes Benz 190E 2.3 (16v)---TTF** 2-2-06 new Mercury Capri 1.6L, 2.0L ('72-'74), 2.3L & 2.8L ('76-'77)---TTH* 2-20-06 new Mercury Capri 2.0L ('71)(100hp), 2.6L & 2.8L ('72-'74)---TTG* 2-20-06 new Nissan 240SX SOHC ('89-'90) 140 hp---TTG** 1-26-06 changed (has been separated from generic 240SX class in TTF) Nissan 350Z ('03-'05)(287hp)---TTC 1-30-06 changed Nissan 350Z ('06+)(300hp)---TTC* 2-20-06 changed Nissan 350Z Roadster ('06)---PTD** 2-20-06 new Nissan 350Z Track Model ('03-'04)---TTC* 1-30-06 changed Nissan 350Z Track Model ('05+), 35th Anniv, Grand T.---TTC** 2-20-06 changed Nissan Pulsar NX 1.8L (125hp)---TTG 4-12-06 new Nissan Sentra SE-R ('91-'94) 2.0L (140hp)---TTF 1-12-06 new Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais 2.3L Turbo Quad4---TTE* 4-10-06 Pontiac Formula '87 5.0L (215hp)---TTE 3-8-06 new Renault Alliance 1.4L (60hp)---TTH 2-3-06 new Renault Alliance 1.7L (85hp)---TTG 2-3-06 new Renault Alliance 2.0L GTA---TTG* 2-3-06 new Saab 900 Turbo SPG ('85-'89)---TTF** 4-19-06 new Saab 900 Turbo SPG ('89-'90)---TTE 4-19-06 new Scion tC S/C (TRD) (200hp)---TTE* 2-15-06 new Subaru Impreza 1.8L (FWD)---TTG* 2-3-06 new Subaru Impreze 1.8L (AWD)---TTG* 2-3-06 new Subaru Legacy ('90-'94)---TTG** 2-15-06 changed Subaru Legacy ('95-'99)---TTF 2-15-06 changed Subaru Legacy ('00-'05)---TTF* 2-15-06 changed Subaru Legacy Turbo AWD ('91-'94)---TTF* 2-13-06 new Subaru WRX 2.5L (06+)---TTD** 3-29-06 changed Toyota Celica GT ('00-'05)---TTF* 2-15-06 added years Toyota Celica GTS ('00-'05)---TTE** 2-15-06 changed Toyota Corolla FX-16 GT-S---TTG* 2-3-06 new Toyota Corolla SR5('79-'83)(3TC)---TTH* 2-20-06 new Toyota MR2 ('85-'89)---TTG* (with 2380 curb wt.) 2-16-06 changed to correct curb weight Toyota Yaris ('07+) (106hp)---TTG* 2-3-06 new Triumph Spitfire MK 2 (75hp, 1147cc)---TTG** 3-8-06 new Volvo 242 GLT---TTF 2-5-06 new VW GTI 2.0L Turbo ('06+) (200hp)---TTE 4-14-06 new VW GTI 1.8L 8v (105hp)---TTG* (down from TTF) 1-20-06 changed VW GTI 1.8L 16v (123hp)---TTF (down from TTE) 1-20-06 changed VW GTI 2.0L 8v ('95-'98 ) (115 hp)---TTG* (up from TTG) 1-20-06 changed VW GTI 2.0L 8v ('99-'00) (115 hp)---TTG (clarified years) 1-20-06 changed VW GTI 2.0L 16v (134 hp)---TTF (up from TTG**) 1-20-06 changed VW Rabbit 1.5L (62 hp)---TTH 1-30-06 new VW Rabbit 1.6L (54 hp)---TTH 1-30-06 new VW Rabbit 1.7L (74 hp)---TTH* 1-30-06 new VW Rabbit GTI 1.8L (90hp)---TTG* 1-30-06 new Edited December 20, 2006 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FocusTed Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Here's even a tougher one... Where would a World Challenge Touring Car classed at? I would think TTU...since you've already listed some WC GT in TTR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 13, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted January 13, 2006 I would let them just use the points method and fall where they may. Most would fall into TTU or maybe TTA for some of the slower ones. Andrie Hartanto ran in World Challenge at Laguna Seca in his H1 Honda, and it is not a TTU car by any stretch. Some of the Stasis Audi's are TTU cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 17, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted January 17, 2006 Updated 1-16-06 to separate C4 Corvettes with 230-245 hp from those with 300 hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 18, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted January 18, 2006 Updated to fix the '06 Honda Civic's typo's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 20, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted January 20, 2006 Updated to fix a bunch of VW GTI's with bad data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 25, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted January 25, 2006 Updated 1-25 to add BMW 2002's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 27, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted January 27, 2006 Updated 1-26-06 to change Nissan 240SX SOHC class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinman Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I posted this in another thread, but this seems like a more appropriate place... "I'd like to submit a point for clarity, and because it affects me directly (as well as other Mini drivers). Regarding the Austin (classic) Mini - You have listed three possibilities for base class - all Cooper variations. There are in fact MANY variations of the Mini, but for basic comparison, you should be aware that the cars which carry the Cooper designation are very specific in their differences from a standard Mini. ALL Cooper cars (S and non S Coopers) have a center main bearing strap, different head (12G945 as opposed to a 12G940) which included high lift ratio rockers, and a different exhaust header. The S cars had a different intake manifold which was coupled with a PAIR of SU carburetors instead of a single SU carb. These varied through the production range from 1 1/4 inch to 1 1/2 inch to the latest 38mm updated design (basically the same flow as the 1.5in, but with an integrated float bowl). This applies to me in that my car in NOT a Cooper of any sort, and it would be GREAT if I wasn't assigned an automatic 7pt penalty! The Cooper cars are indeed a higher performance car than the standard Mini. The Cooper cars' modifications were engineered by John Cooper Garage, and began to show up as factory implemented options in the mid-sixties. Edit. The head designation of 12G945 for the Cooper cars only applies to the 1275 engine series. I believe the 998 and 1071 cars have a different head - but memory fails me as to the specific numbers." There are numerous other differences, but these are the main performance upgrades. If you don't feel justified in removing the automatic 7pt penalty, can I ask why it's there for the base model car? Thanks, Vince Pack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 30, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted January 30, 2006 Rabbits added 1-30-06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 30, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted January 30, 2006 (edited) Regarding the Austin (classic) Mini - The Cooper cars are indeed a higher performance car than the standard Mini. There are numerous differences, Thanks, Vince Pack Vince, I really never expected to see any non-Cooper Austin Mini's. But, great. I agree that the base Mini's should be in TTH, and have listed them by hp above. The reason they are separated is so I have an accurate listing of the curb weights in case an owner uses the alternate method of weight reduction. Although, there doesn't seem to be too much weight to reduce to start with. Edited January 30, 2006 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinman Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Greg, Thanks for the additional considerations. I REALLY hope you aren't the only one having to research all this stuff. I provided all that detail to (hopefully) ease the burden. I know WAY TOO much about Minis - if I could only channel my ability to retain trivia into something good for mankind... If you every have any questions regarding the British Leyland A or A+ series motor or the classic Mini, I can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 30, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted January 30, 2006 Updated to revise all 350Z classifications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted February 2, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted February 2, 2006 Mercedes Benz 190E 2.3 16v added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tornado Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Your kidding about the WC cars right. They would all be TTR I would assume. You ever look at the times they turn. They are full on race cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted February 3, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted February 3, 2006 Your kidding about the WC cars right. They would all be TTR I would assume. You ever look at the times they turn. They are full on race cars. No, I'm not kidding. I can run my Spec SRT car in WCTC if I want, and I probably wouldn't come in last either--my times would place me in the back 1/3 of the field, though. WC Touring Cars are not tube frame racecars. They are production models converted into racecars just like all of ours. Our USTCC times are off of WCTC fastest times by about 3-4 seconds, but they really start to come in at about mid-pack in WCTC. Our USTCC cars are not TTR, or even TTU. That's why I said that some of the WCTC would be TTU, but some would probably end up in TTA, depending on the extent of their mods. WC Grand Touring cars are TTR cars for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted February 3, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted February 3, 2006 Added Renault Alliance 1.4L, 1.7L, 2.0L GTA Added Toyota Yaris ('07), and Corolla FX-16 GT-S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAC Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 If anyone cares, the last time the WC TC cars ran at Infineon, the fastest qualifying time was 1:46.3 with a total of 12 drivers doing sub 1:48s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted February 4, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted February 4, 2006 And......some ran 1:51.x, and some GT cars ran sub 1:40's. They don't run the same configuration as us. They go wide on turn 7b (I think that's the number) instead of making the sharper turn into the S's. I'm not sure which configuration is faster, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAC Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 And......some ran 1:51.x, and some GT cars ran sub 1:40's. They don't run the same configuration as us. They go wide on turn 7b (I think that's the number) instead of making the sharper turn into the S's. I'm not sure which configuration is faster, though. Interesting. I wonder which one is faster too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted February 6, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted February 6, 2006 Added Volvo 242 GLT to list 2-5-06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat L. Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 And......some ran 1:51.x, and some GT cars ran sub 1:40's. They don't run the same configuration as us. They go wide on turn 7b (I think that's the number) instead of making the sharper turn into the S's. I'm not sure which configuration is faster, though. Interesting. I wonder which one is faster too. Running wide should be slower. Are you guys positive they used the extension at 7b? I think the pro's have a distinct advantage at a track like Infineon where it's extremely technical and takes a ver large PAIR to exploit the quickest turns. The Turner BMW ran Buttonwillow #13 CW in 1:56 at the '04 time attack, the Stasis B6 A4 with the 1.8T motor ran it in 1:57 at the '05 time attack (note: the bus-stop is faster as of '05). Those times are what I would consider quick TTA or mid-pack TTU times. And you can be assured that those cars were making a little extra power than the normal WCTC trim. So while the faster WC touring cars may warrant the TTU classing, I don't think it's fair to lump them all into TTU especially with the stipulation of a "touring" class being that the cars don't necesserily make a lot of power. Another fact up for consideration is that touring cars are very difficult to drive because they are still "momentum" cars which suddenly get a lot faster in the hands of a professional driver. Don't expect the typical Time Trialer to break off those 1:56's in the old Turner car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted February 15, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted February 15, 2006 Subaru Legacy models separated and re-classed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted February 15, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted February 15, 2006 Added later model Celicas--increased GTS base class Added Supercharged Scion tC Changed Ford Focus 2.0 16v Zetec classing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted February 16, 2006 Author National Staff Share Posted February 16, 2006 Fixed MR2 first gen classing due to bad data on curb wt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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