Bill Addy Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 We have exposed the failure thet happened in Vegas . The balance shaft bearing "pillow block" broke in half . That allowed movement of the shaft, cracking the housing, thus crop dusting the front straight. My question, is the balance shaft necessary, and if not, is it legal to remove ? I ask this only because of a rumor I heard, that someone local runs without. Quote
Tim Comeau Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 "Crop dusting." That was funny , Bill. Thanks. Now, .... ......who do I need to kill that isn't running their counter balance shafts? This is a modification that has the sole intent of gaining a performance advantage over the other cars, at the cost of reliability. Whoever it is or might be........ ...fix it now. It is stupid to gain the slight hp by not running the counter balance shafts while suffering the vibration-induced failures that it causes. Porsche put them there for a reason. To cancel out secondary harmonics that F up the performance of the engine. Do I need to mandate holes in belt covers to make sure the belts are in place, or do the champagne glass stacking test to ensure that the counter balance shafts are actually in place and turning? "Don't make me come back there, kids!" "I'll turn this car around and we'll go home!" SERIES DIRECTOR AND TECH INSPECTOR TIM Quote
944 Swede Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 Sorry to spoil the party but it isn't me. Don't speculate like that online, just creates bad vibes. If you think you know of anyone cheating just discuss it privately with Tim. I've consulted Tim in confidence several times rather than to assume or start rumors. Quote
Tim Comeau Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 True, Mikael. I'll bend over backwards to help anybody in this class in any sanctioning body, NASA, SCCA, POC, PCA, but the very thought of someone doing bad things in this class that I've spent so much time building will set me off. Let's go to our happy place........Ketel One Martini....... Mikael, where's that Swedish bikini team you promised us for the grid girls?...... Quote
n wright Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 Bill, I wan in Blk Forest on Friday, looking for oil cooler parts, and spoke with Jeff and Anthony about the balance shaft issue on your car. I told Jeff that I do not run balance shafts on my TURBO car. Said the shafts were there but not functional. It's a decision I made long ago when I went back to a 2.5. The 2.8 I used to run had no shafts and the holes were welded up. Rather than weld the 2.5 I decided to keep the bal shaft components in place for sealing the engine. MAYBE I'M THE GUY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT?? IF SO IT WAS FOR MY TURBO CAR. I will be running shafts and belts on the spec car under way. Just bought new brarings, seals, caps etc for it. BTW, I run solid motor mounts and tranny mounts on the turbo and always have with no issues. Maybe it's a failure waiting to happen?? Don't know don't care at this point. It's my understanding the balance shafts were primarily for idle comfort?? Again, maybe I'm the guy they were talking about? Hope so! Quote
944 Swede Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 The girls are busy installing a new clutch disc in my car since it shattered in to a million pieces in Vegas last weekend. It happened in Saturdays race just a few laps after I lost my brakes almost T Boning Dylan turning left in to the legends oval. And since you asked, yes the car was running well earlier in the day turning a 1.57.4 during Sat Qual. Quote
Tim Comeau Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 Aw, you got lucky with that 1:57.4, Mikael. If I were there I could have turned a 1:53 flat , ya wussy.... You know I'm gonna get ya! But, Hey, it's cool as hell that they're running the Legends oval again. It's been a while. ps. I'm glad I didn't have to try to kill Neal. He's a big strappin' lad! I'd rather just have total rules compliance....... . Otherwise, I get kind of twisted and unpleasant! Quote
Bill Addy Posted February 22, 2006 Author Posted February 22, 2006 Bill, I wan in Blk Forest on Friday, looking for oil cooler parts, and spoke with Jeff and Anthony about the balance shaft issue on your car. I told Jeff that I do not run balance shafts on my TURBO car. Said the shafts were there but not functional. It's a decision I made long ago when I went back to a 2.5. The 2.8 I used to run had no shafts and the holes were welded up. Rather than weld the 2.5 I decided to keep the bal shaft components in place for sealing the engine. MAYBE I'M THE GUY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT?? IF SO IT WAS FOR MY TURBO CAR. I will be running shafts and belts on the spec car under way. Just bought new brarings, seals, caps etc for it. BTW, I run solid motor mounts and tranny mounts on the turbo and always have with no issues. Maybe it's a failure waiting to happen?? Don't know don't care at this point. It's my understanding the balance shafts were primarily for idle comfort?? Again, maybe I'm the guy they were talking about? Hope so! Yes, Neil and I new it was on your Turbo and appologize to everyone for leaving that to speculation . However it was fun watching Tim's blood pressure rise I just figured if I put it out there I would get some good feedback, as I did. The parts are to go out today for a welding attempt, if that doesn't work, it may be time for a new motor Quote
944-Spec#94 Posted February 22, 2006 Posted February 22, 2006 Yes, Neil and I new it was on your Turbo and appologize to everyone for leaving that to speculation . However it was fun watching Tim's blood pressure rise ( Bill, I can appereciate your spirit of this and it is fun to wath Tim get riled up sometimes. However... Now that 944 spec is expanding to PCA as well as all the other places. There may be many folks lurking here to see what the class is like and if they shoudl join and build a car. Loose talk even if intended as joke can give folks the wrong idea. Case in point. A rennlist regular on the east coast talked about and event where a "944 spec guy" was bragging about a "hot" cam. He made it seem like we don't care about rules in our class. Truth was that being on the east coast this "944 spec guy" was not really 944 spec guy at all. Who knows what class he was in, but the Rennlister go the wrong idea from it. So somecould get the wrong idea about Neil's 944 from this post and Tim was right in coming down hard on the thought that someone was "bragging about illegal parts". Bill please don't thing I am reading you the riot act. Not at all. However we ALL need to be a little more careful when taking in jest about things on this forum or person to folks. Sometimes a misplaced word or out of context statement can be used to make us as drivers and the entire class look bad. BTW... This is not to mean you can't post or express things like "I think this rule sucks!" Drivers are free to speak their minds, but lets not joke about someones "150 rwhp" motor or "illegal this or that". Some folks might not know you are really joking. Now if you suspect some illegal parts on a car please contact your regional director so that we may deal with it. It maybe as simple as a rules interpretation issues for one or all parties involved or some more serious that needs to be addressed. Quote
Bill Addy Posted February 22, 2006 Author Posted February 22, 2006 I have already spoken with Tim, and I really did not intend to infer someone was cheating because I did not know when I posed the question if it was illeagal. My house has been torn apart for weeks and the computer has been hit and miss for me. I merely jumped on, posed the question and ran to the next thing I had to do. Again, I appologize to ANYONE that took it wrong. I'll go back to my corner now and wear the dunce cap Quote
944-Spec#94 Posted February 22, 2006 Posted February 22, 2006 Again, I appologize to ANYONE that took it wrong. I'll go back to my corner now and wear the dunce cap Bill No worries! We are all friends here! You are cool with me! Just make sure you point by the #94 when you see me on the track and I will be happy! Quote
Zvoiture Posted February 23, 2006 Posted February 23, 2006 Well, I read the first post and had no problem with it*. Then I read Tim's and he's freaking out assuming Bill mean someone else in the class. *I totally understood where Bill was coming from because I have heard the exact same comments from two Porsche shops around here with long racing backgrounds. They both said, "Why the hell you running them? We never did and blah blah blah.... Sure it shakes a bit, but just don't let it run below 2500. Unless youwant your car to fall apart." Of course, when I explain the SPEC rules, they understand. Point is, Bill's right. Lots of people do it. Also I have heard cutting them in half--which would be pretty hard to police in this arena!!!! Just had to throw that in, Tim. Quote
PeanutinCA Posted February 23, 2006 Posted February 23, 2006 Again, I appologize to ANYONE that took it wrong. I'll go back to my corner now and wear the dunce cap Good one Bill! Sheesh! P.Dilly. Quote
Spec-944#70 Posted February 23, 2006 Posted February 23, 2006 Lets ensure the bal shafts remain on the cars. My case was a little different as I had 1 of the shafts 180 deg out!! This caused 2 broken alt brackets and a cracked fuel rail. I know the cars in Aus run without but they have also beefed up the fuel rails and probably a few other items. Besides if you ever moved the shafts by hand before you put the belts on you know it's not much of a HP loss. Cutting the shafts in half? My guess is a total waste of effort!! My 2 cents, Quote
PeanutinCA Posted February 23, 2006 Posted February 23, 2006 You know a better avenue than chasing hp mods Mr. Addy and others? Would be to put a CAP on max hp/tq numbers. OK, so dynos are different, this that and the other. I'm not saying I have the answer to it. But, what happened to the days when everyone ran the same stuff? Well, I would suggested at an educated guess that at least 95% run the same in terms of motors and suspension. (Although I made it very clear I changed suspension this year out of curiosity. Not running for a championship with it though, just some fun races). Anyway, this isn't a rant. It's just a proposition to the masses. WHO would like to SEE a cap on spending for that last 5-10 hp/tq? I would. It happened last year and will happen again in the future. And before you say it Eric , I disagree, every little bit counts! Otherwise the numbers wouldn't mean anything in any of these racing groups. No to the Spending Monster. 1) P.Dilly. Dylan. Quote
Packfill Posted February 23, 2006 Posted February 23, 2006 Dilly, The spending wouldn't be so bad, if you just shopped the aftermarket more carefully.... Here is the valve you paid so much for, hundreds of dollars cheaper... Same product, Same Horsepower increase, only $65.00 http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9&zenid=e648025886ba90b941e17a8a3383c0e1 Quote
PeanutinCA Posted February 23, 2006 Posted February 23, 2006 (edited) Heh heh. Men, we are sport shoppers are we not! P.D. Edited February 23, 2006 by Guest Quote
944-Spec#94 Posted February 23, 2006 Posted February 23, 2006 Jim that is only spec legal if you install it before the AFM. Remember you can't "replace" the AFM. ... PS nothing gets past me... Quote
Bill Addy Posted February 24, 2006 Author Posted February 24, 2006 what valve? what does it do? And for the record, I am not trying to beat the system or gain HP, I just want my motor back together running! Quote
PeanutinCA Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 what valve? what does it do? And for the record, I am not trying to beat the system or gain HP, I just want my motor back together running! Sure Billy! Nah I know, the question in your case was do I need to or not? But, some see it as a possible hp increase. Thus I hi-jacked your thread, because I knew you would appreciate it and went in the direction of just a general discussion in limiting how far we can take these engines. So just shoosh and get back in the corner with the Dunce cap on mate! P.D. Quote
DavidH Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 I noticed that their muffler bearing was only $49.99. What a deal! But would we pass sound at Laguna Seca with it? Dylan makes a good point though. If someone were over the limit, what would we do? Balast? Quote
Bill Addy Posted February 24, 2006 Author Posted February 24, 2006 I just ordered a piston return spring and a lowering kit . I'm thinking the faster ther the piston gets back to the starting position, the faster the motor will turn. And the lowering kit is so I can sneak up on the fast guys in front without being noticed . But none of these parts are illeagal or anything, right? Quote
Packfill Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 (edited) I've been telling you guys all along that you can buy all the Kneutson valves, Muffler Bearings, Jenson Rods, Knibbling Pins, Pipe thread, and left handed Monkey wrenches, etc... They are NOT going to make you faster... But now I HAVE to eat my words... Here, on a public forum I will admit, there is FINALLY one product that will absolutely, undeniably, make you faster.... http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=4 and a quick thanks to Ray Dicius who showed me this priceless (or worthless) website... Edited February 24, 2006 by Guest Quote
n wright Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Finally, an intelligent web discussion board with really useful information. http://www.kalecoauto.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=108 This is a much better idea than some stupid throttle cam we all got suckered into. Timmee, it better not be illegal cause I'm gettin one as soon as it's avaiable!! Quote
944-Spec#94 Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Here, on a public forum I will admit, there is FINALLY one product that will absolutely, undeniably, make you faster.... http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=4 Hmm they are sold in sets of 3. I only have 2. Maybe that is why I have been kind of slow as of late. TIME FOR AN UPGRADE! Quote
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