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I realize I'm writing this pretty late in the game, but I thought I'd bring it up anyway.

I propose a change in the points system, either a CCR or AI specific. Here's the break down.

 

Our points system currently breaks out like this

 

1 - 100

2 - 90

3 - 85

4 - 80

5 - 75

6 - 70

7 - 69

8 - 68

9 - 67

10 - 66

11 - 65

12 - 64

 

I very much like the heavily weighted positions for 1,2 and 3, however, the drop from 6th to 7th is far to small. Ideally, I think the points should step down to 3 points per position until 10th. Someone falls out of a race with only 7-8 racers in their class and they still get nearly as many points as someone who ran hard up front and finished 4th-5th. The biggest issue for me is the spread of 5 points to 1 point is too drastic. I assume it is designed to strongly favor a top 5 finish, which is a good thing, but I think it does just the opposite. It also strongly minimizes the difference between a 5th and 7th or 8th. If your consistantly finishing 6th,7th or 8th you shouldn't be only a few points back from the top 5 finishers.

 

 

Heres my vision:

 

1 - 100

2 - 90

3 - 85

4 - 80

5 - 75

6 - 70

7 - 67

8 - 64

9 - 61

10 - 58

11 - 57

12 - 56

 

Strongly rewards a 1st place and strongly favors the top 5 finishers.

 

Fire away!!

Posted

I actually like much more points for 1st-3rd and then a big drop.

The way it currently works is you could finish 2nd or 3rd all year and someone misses a race or two and they might finish behind you even if you won each race.

 

1st -100

2nd- 90

3rd- 80

4th- 70

5th- 60

then drop by 5 points each...

Posted
I actually like much more points for 1st-3rd and then a big drop.

The way it currently works is you could finish 2nd or 3rd all year and someone misses a race or two and they might finish behind you even if you won each race.

 

That's the way it works in any racing series, you have to show up to win the championship. We don't have that many events each year (even though my budget says otherwise) and we have provisions for drops that can be set at the beginning of the year. There were 3 drops in the MW region this year, IIRC.

Posted

Anyone have an opinion, on what I proposed?

 

It just doesn't make sense to me that 5th to 6th is a five point difference but 6th to 7th is only one point.

Remember our current system is used for the Nationals, and with the qualifying races being so important, this is huge.

Posted

I think this is a question for a much larger audience, as it affects so many other NASA classes that use the default GCR points format. Perhaps you'd get more input in one of the general forums. For me, it's somewhat irrelevant because CMC uses a different points scheme.

Posted
I think this is a question for a much larger audience, as it affects so many other NASA classes that use the default GCR points format. Perhaps you'd get more input in one of the general forums. For me, it's somewhat irrelevant because CMC uses a different points scheme.

 

Good point, but if CMC has thier own point system, why not AI. I can't imagine making this pitch to the National CCR board. I think the low response here, is an indication of how little intereste there is. But I may give it a shot.

It makes good sense to me, but.....

Posted

I agree with Dave's opinion about the current points system, I think it could do with re-vamping. However I have not given it any thought so I would hesitate to make further comment at the moment.

 

Richard.

Posted
Season points systems are controlled by each Region, and may vary. Each Region reserves the right to place restriction on any part of the season points system, and set a minimum class size, if necessary. If a Region does not publish a season points system for any given class, then either there will be no season points awarded for that class, or the Region will use the Default System [Ref:(22.1.1)] for that class. It is the competitor’s responsibility to check with the Region office to ascertain what system, if any, shall be used.

Looks like you Midwest guys could hash this out amongst yourselves if no one else is interested in changing.

Posted

I appreciate everyones input.

 

I'm specifically intersted in opinions of what I've proposed. Does it make sense? Not interested? Think it's goofy? It appears very logical to me, but I'm just one person.

Before I attempt to further discuss this with the "guys upstairs", it only makes sense to have some folks interested. If not, why bother. I'm not just looking for regional opinion. Anyone who's got a view, would be helpful.

 

You can look at my orginal post, but it comes down to the following statement:

 

It just doesn't make sense to me that 5th to 6th is a five point difference but 6th to 7th is only one point.

Remember our current system is used for the Nationals, and with the qualifying races being so important, this is huge.

Posted

When AI started, it used a the CMC points system. We lobbied for and got the change in the middle of 2002, and all previous races were scored with the standard NASA points.

Posted

It makes sense to me that there would be some small "bonus" for a podium position but all positions from 4th on down to last would have a smaller and equal differential.

Posted

I agree with the larger audience bigger question then just AI.

Posted

I don't know how big of an issue it has ever created if any, but I think that the drop rule should be clarified. If I score a pole position, then drop out of the race on the second lap, I can drop that race. Do the points record keepers drop the qualifying points as well, or are the race and qualifying 2 separate events?

Posted

It would be smart to:

 

(A) Sit in the shoes of other regions and understand how they view the current points system (obviously everyone here in the Midwest is thinking about the Midwest competitive dynamic---what about other regions?) The lack of other region involvment allows me to think that this is a more local issue. Just a hunch.

 

(B) Look forward to where NASA is headed and build a rule that is likely to work in the various size NASA Championship fields. Was there a problem with points at the Mid-O Championships? If so, what was it and how many wanted to fix it?

 

I would add also that we are probably not inventing the wheel here. It would be interesting to see what other sanctioning bodies (pro and am) are doing and how it's working for them. Our current point system may be closer to what the Pro's are doing than we think. Does anyone know if it is?

 

Respectfully submitted,

 

E

Posted
I don't know how big of an issue it has ever created if any, but I think that the drop rule should be clarified. If I score a pole position, then drop out of the race on the second lap, I can drop that race. Do the points record keepers drop the qualifying points as well, or are the race and qualifying 2 separate events?

 

Officially: Driver can drop the race, and keep the pole points.

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