gpeluso Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I am building a E46 323 for NASA this year. I used to run with GTS a few years ago and then got sucked into SpecMiata since I like to run with multiple organizations. Well, I done buying fenders. I don not want things thrown at me but I just wanted to point out a concern I have with GTS which may have me leaning toward PT. WINGS AND THINGS.....without them you can't win in the great lakes region. The guys have done a great job of proving aero really works with even low horsepower cars. My concern is that once you do these things to your car you can not fit in other organizations easily. I think it also hurts the market for a car when it is time to move on to another car. Is it maybe not a bad idea to allow cars to run only stock aero???? Keeps costs down and and helps some cars still run with other groups like SCCA. I was thinking STOCK GTS and SUPER GTS. I AM DODGING THE FOOD THROWERS NOW! Just a thought,.....hell even if I go PT, I'm sure I'll run a GTS race here and there so you guys can kick my ass.. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbm3 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I am building a E46 323 for NASA this year. I used to run with GTS a few years ago and then got sucked into SpecMiata since I like to run with multiple organizations. Well, I done buying fenders. I don not want things thrown at me but I just wanted to point out a concern I have with GTS which may have me leaning toward PT. WINGS AND THINGS.....without them you can't win in the great lakes region. The guys have done a great job of proving aero really works with even low horsepower cars. My concern is that once you do these things to your car you can not fit in other organizations easily. I think it also hurts the market for a car when it is time to move on to another car. Is it maybe not a bad idea to allow cars to run only stock aero???? Keeps costs down and and helps some cars still run with other groups like SCCA. I was thinking STOCK GTS and SUPER GTS. I AM DODGING THE FOOD THROWERS NOW! Just a thought,.....hell even if I go PT, I'm sure I'll run a GTS race here and there so you guys can kick my ass.. Greg Hi Greg, We've already been over this again and again. There are already enough GTS classes. It's an open ruleset based series. Wings and Splitters can be unbolted very easily. You can't always have to best of both worlds. Sometimes you have to pick a series to optimize to and compromise to run in another. -Scott B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obzezzed350 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 There is always Performance Touring where the rules are point based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eric W. Posted January 5, 2011 Members Share Posted January 5, 2011 Just have a different trunk lid and front bumper. Then make the easy swap before switching series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbm3 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Just have a different trunk lid and front bumper. Then make the easy swap before switching series. Oh yeah, I forgot you used to do that all the time !! -Scott B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrtracing Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I felt compelled to weigh in on this one since I'm a 1 car with no aero and used to be pretty fast. Wings are just part of the creative process. My car is ITS legal, and a championship car, so it's sans wings. However, that said, I've just about designed a front splitter and rear wing which are removable. Might not get them on this year, since the budget is for a engine overhaul but such is the fun of a work in progress. However, I think there are other areas which could help close the gap without going that extreme. Also, while Ed and John are faster in the turns, I'm faster down the straight, into that nice brake zone at mid-o. Without having to weave through miatas, I think the fight would be much closer. But, I was still 3rd.... Also, on the factory car debate, I got to drive a factory Porsche GT3 Cup car in a race last spring. It was really cool and a lot easier than my 944. Lastly, the series was the brain child of Denny Voss, Vaughan Scott and Mark Barr in the ~'02 timeframe. Lot of miles since then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Graber Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I shaved my rain gutters and switched from a satin paint to a more slippery high gloss so hopefully I will get to Christians straight line speed in 2011..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernie j Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'll be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911.racer Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I can take my wing and splitter off pretty easy. Would be interesting to see where the lap times are without them. That said, I have spent the entire year working on the setup with the aero, so just pulling it off would be another big development process. There are plenty of other things that John and I have done to make our cars as competitive as possible that are not the aero too. Like Christian says, he is faster in the straights. John and I can tell you how he came up our rear bumper at Putnam at the start. The trick is, however, that good cornering speed means that you have a faster run onto the straight. Oh yea, and Ernie will be back. After all, the guy with the track record at Mid Ohio on the pro course had a spoiler, no wing. John, don't tell everyone about my hood though. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSG1901 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Ed's points are right. The other thing about the aero is you really have to recalibrate your head a little to get the most from it. Once you get it balanced about right you suddenly have more traction than you've ever had at higher speeds and you have to overcome your own reluctance to push hard enough to really take advantage of it. You will get some benefit just by putting it on but the rest of it comes with harder work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brant giere Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 ...and all I can say is I am tired of being second or third...so i am going to see a Good friend about some Aero... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernie j Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 We are going to use lighter oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911.racer Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 My lighters all use butane. I would be willing to try oil in them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernie j Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Well we got the german V8 in, with cadillac sts switch, each bank is good for 140 hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstreit911 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Here's the other issue with stock and aero classes: Now we have GTS1-5 You're proposing Stock GTS1 Stock GTS2 Stock GTS3 Stock GTS4 Stock GTS5 Aero GTS1 Aero GTS2 Aero GTS3 Aero GTS4 Aero GTS5 That's 10 classes. Why not also do it for Slick vs. DOT tires? DOT Stock GTS1 DOT Stock GTS2 DOT Stock GTS3 DOT Stock GTS4 DOT Stock GTS5 DOT Aero GTS1 DOT Aero GTS2 DOT Aero GTS3 DOT Aero GTS4 DOT Aero GTS5 Slick Stock GTS1 Slick Stock GTS2 Slick Stock GTS3 Slick Stock GTS4 Slick Stock GTS5 Slick Aero GTS1 Slick Aero GTS2 Slick Aero GTS3 Slick Aero GTS4 Slick Aero GTS5 Then everyone can have their own class and get a 1st place trophy too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernie j Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 How about a class by colour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSG1901 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 How about a class by colour? I like that! There aren't a lot of blue cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernie j Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Well, maybe we paint my S2 blue for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSG1901 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Well, maybe we paint my S2 blue for you. Ooooo. Are you moving up to GTS2 this year....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernie j Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 moving up from what? Its what I have. the old 91 cup car is gone but should still be good for GTS1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckdc Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I started my own thread about this earlier but I'll ask here too- are there any rules on how far back my wing can be in GTS? I'd like to run BMWCCA Dmod too- e36 with a Pennon CF wing MA SHAW Fiberglass trunk lid Custom fab mounting structure to the frame rails for the wing uprights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckdc Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Got my answer from my earlier thread- looks like I can mount it anywhere in GTS, and not higher or wider than my car lines, or more than 16 inches behind my bumper line for Dmod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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