GAC Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Just to clarify, what circumstance or specifics are there whereby one can run a race seat without a points penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp99gt Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 If you are adding or changing an item in your vehicle that requires, by the safety rules, a non-OEM seat, the seat change will not incur a points addition. For example: adding a roll bar or cage; this requires an FIA approved seat, or a seat with a back brace where the seat is capable of taking the back brace loads (which OEM seats, in nearly all cars, cannot do). The principle in operation is that safety is (generally) free, while performance will incur points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAC Posted October 12, 2005 Author Share Posted October 12, 2005 That all makes sense, but are you saying then that no matter what the seat weighs ( 20 lbs, 10 lbs, 8 lbs), in the below example, points will not be assessed? If you are adding or changing an item in your vehicle that requires, by the safety rules, a non-OEM seat, the seat change will not incur a points addition. For example: adding a roll bar or cage; this requires an FIA approved seat, or a seat with a back brace where the seat is capable of taking the back brace loads (which OEM seats, in nearly all cars, cannot do). The principle in operation is that safety is (generally) free, while performance will incur points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renntag Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Wow, I hadnt considered the weight reduction advantage. Some factory seats are incredibly heavy. This is a very good point. I would be willing to bet that in the name of safety, this might not be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp99gt Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 That all makes sense, but are you saying then that no matter what the seat weighs ( 20 lbs, 10 lbs, 8 lbs), in the below example, points will not be assessed? If you are adding or changing an item in your vehicle that requires, by the safety rules, a non-OEM seat, the seat change will not incur a points addition. For example: adding a roll bar or cage; this requires an FIA approved seat, or a seat with a back brace where the seat is capable of taking the back brace loads (which OEM seats, in nearly all cars, cannot do). The principle in operation is that safety is (generally) free, while performance will incur points. Yes, that is correct. If you are adding a roll bar/cage, you will not be saving any weight overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
860TTC Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Wow, I hadnt considered the weight reduction advantage. Some factory seats are incredibly heavy. This is a very good point. I would be willing to bet that in the name of safety, this might not be an issue. Just further clarification, I'm sure that jp99gt will agree, you do not want to add racing seats without a roll bar. If you roll the car with racing seats and no roll bar you will die. OEM seats are designed to break back on a roll over. Racing seats are designed to be used with a roll bar/roll cage. This is another reason why there are no points for racing seats. Most instructors will not get in the car with you if you have racing seats without a roll bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp99gt Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 860TTC is right, plus you won't pass tech inspection if it is run per the CCR. Once you deviate from your car's OEM equipment, you must satisfy the rules for cars per the CCR (ie, race car rules). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAC Posted October 18, 2005 Author Share Posted October 18, 2005 All makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOTORGOSPEL Ministries Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Hello Dan, The TT deal is a little distinct from other forms of motorsport in that our tech inspections at least regarding performance mods are pretty much on the honor system. Having said that, I had been an inspector in addition to a driver in circle track racing in the past and we wouldn't hesitate to make somebody cut out a bar that they had designed into the cage if we felt it gave an unfair performance advantage in terms of stiffness relative to the other cars in a given division. Make sure that any stiffening you do to the car is actually required for safety and if in doubt get Greg to make a ruling ahead of time before you start welding. God be with you Dan, Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted October 27, 2005 National Staff Share Posted October 27, 2005 Just further clarification, I'm sure that jp99gt will agree, you do not want to add racing seats without a roll bar. If you roll the car with racing seats and no roll bar you will die. OEM seats are designed to break back on a roll over. Racing seats are designed to be used with a roll bar/roll cage. This is another reason why there are no points for racing seats. Most instructors will not get in the car with you if you have racing seats without a roll bar. You may have noticed that the rules call for a point for "replacement seat" (as opposed to racing seat). There are many DOT approved aftermarket ("street") seats that would provide a perfomance advantage both in terms of weight savings and the ability of the seat to hold the driver tighter. Good catch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FocusTed Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Most instructors will not get in the car with you if you have racing seats without a roll bar. I can tell you I won't get in a car with racing seats and no roll bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn M. Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 I can tell you I won't get in a car with racing seats and no roll bar Come ride with me Ted!!! (actually, after the November event I will have a cage.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAC Posted October 29, 2005 Author Share Posted October 29, 2005 You have a roll bar though, right dude?? I can tell you I won't get in a car with racing seats and no roll bar Come ride with me Ted!!! (actually, after the November event I will have a cage.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FocusTed Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 I can tell you I won't get in a car with racing seats and no roll bar Come ride with me Ted!!! (actually, after the November event I will have a cage.) Do you have A/C and a cup holder???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAC Posted October 29, 2005 Author Share Posted October 29, 2005 I can tell you I won't get in a car with racing seats and no roll bar Come ride with me Ted!!! (actually, after the November event I will have a cage.) Do you have A/C and a cup holder???? Ted races with the A/C on full blast and a Slurpee in the cupholder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn M. Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Do you have A/C and a cup holder???? Poor mans A/C. (Cool Suit) but alas, only 1 hose. if you ride with me I will have a cup holder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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