ILIKETODRIVE Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 But a Honda Civic was the fastest car in TTS at Nationals this year. I have no idea what it means, I just use it as justification for any argument now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkntrxn Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Where is the "like" button?!?!?!?! I swear, Jason has gotten funnier since moving to a penthouse in north Havanna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemac Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I would but I can't make another 60 hp or take 200 lbs out of the car (or any combination) to be competitive it that class either. It would take a complete redesign of the car to do so. Basically being built and developed for ST/TTS over the last 5 years. The competitiveness of my car currently has be written out of the rules for 2013. run TT2/ST2 then, doesn't apply there Just run slicks... That should help you get to ST2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron B Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I might have missed it in the thread, but what type of car are you going to run in ST3 that you are so concerned about having an aero disadvantage?? I am planning to give ST3 a go this season with an S197 Mustang GT, otherwise known in the aero world as a "Brick", yet I feel we are going to be very competitive with no aero bits running 275 tires at a final factor of 8.6:1.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varkwso Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Where is the "like" button?!?!?!?! I swear, Jason has gotten funnier since moving to a penthouse in north Havanna. Ditto.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varkwso Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 According to the new 2013 ST3/TT3 Rules some OEM aero cars are subject to the .5 aero penalty. Is there an official list that can be posted. Looking at manufacturer downforce numbers I have come up with the following short list that look like they will be subject to this rule. - S2000 CR - Corvette ZR1 / Z06 w/ CFZ Aero Package - Porsche GT3 / GT3RS - Lotus Exige - C63 AMG Black - M3 GTS - Most Modern Ferrari's - Mustang Boss 302 Leguna Seca None of these will get the .5 penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbodleimages Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 does that mean that a mustang with a lesser engine plant can run the boss 302 laguna seca splitter without a penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkntrxn Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 It came on an S197. Your car is an S197, so I woul think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcal Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Masitr...would you take the freaking hint and buy a C5 Vette already!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Masitr...would you take the freaking hint and buy a C5 Vette already!!!! Sports cars > taxis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varkwso Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 does that mean that a mustang with a lesser engine plant can run the boss 302 laguna seca splitter without a penalty? Is it OEM, then yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masitr Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 Masitr...would you take the freaking hint and buy a C5 Vette already!!!! Sports cars > taxis That will the 100th time I have heard that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperkins Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 that will the 100th time I have heard that. It's still true though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Corvettes.....get in one or get behind one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKBITN Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Or go squirrel hunting in one. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbodleimages Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Corvettes.....get in one or get behind one. sounds like something they would say in west virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Corvettes.....get in one or get behind one. sounds like something they would say in west virginia Arse, grass, or gas, nobody rides for free. The current price of gas has changed the economics of that saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkntrxn Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I say stick with the BMW. Have I said lately that I am on stock shocks and stock OEM rubber bushings? Just a reminder for Scott Perkins, LOL!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted November 26, 2012 National Staff Share Posted November 26, 2012 does that mean that a mustang with a lesser engine plant can run the boss 302 laguna seca splitter without a penalty? d.) ST3 only The addition of non-OEM aerodynamic aides or modification of OEM body lines (unless specifically stated otherwise in these rules), will be assessed a Modification Factor to the “Adjusted Weight/Power Ratio”. In this case, non-OEM is defined as any part that does not come from the vehicle manufacturer either as a standard feature, a factory option, or on a factory optional trim model/package of that generation of the street-legal (in the U.S.A.) version of the vehicle. Is the splitter street legal? No. So, the answer is NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Corvettes.....get in one or get behind one. sounds like something they would say in west virginia There are a couple for sale on the Corvetteforum road-racing page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ed M. Posted December 11, 2012 Members Share Posted December 11, 2012 does that mean that a mustang with a lesser engine plant can run the boss 302 laguna seca splitter without a penalty? d.) ST3 only The addition of non-OEM aerodynamic aides or modification of OEM body lines (unless specifically stated otherwise in these rules), will be assessed a Modification Factor to the “Adjusted Weight/Power Ratio”. In this case, non-OEM is defined as any part that does not come from the vehicle manufacturer either as a standard feature, a factory option, or on a factory optional trim model/package of that generation of the street-legal (in the U.S.A.) version of the vehicle. Is the splitter street legal? No. So, the answer is NO. So since my Mustang FR500S came from the factory with OEM aero, I won't be assessed a penality, correct? A penalty is only assessed if non-OEM aero is added, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 In this case, non-OEM is defined as any part that does not come from the vehicle manufacturer either as a standard feature, a factory option, or on a factory optional trim model/package of that generation of the street-legal (in the U.S.A.) version of the vehicle. Let's break it down to a two-part test: 1.) Can you get part ____ from Ford delivered on a Mustang of your same generation (ie I think we're talking S197s, no?) 2.) Is said part street-legal? Meets both parts of the test - no -0.5 ratio hit for you. If I was a Mustang expert I could give you a better answer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbodleimages Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 ed, your aero is not street legal. so, you get the penalty. that said, for being 3400lbs and on 275 wide tires, you get back all that aero penalty plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varkwso Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Ed gets the penalty plus rewards weight for being a season champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbodleimages Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Ed gets the penalty plus rewards weight for being a season champ. its not championship weight. its just seasonal treats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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