National Staff Greg G. Posted January 14, 2006 National Staff Share Posted January 14, 2006 TTU or TTR for us. (AMS Mitsubishi lancer Evolution VIII) Jon K http://www.racerjon.com You would have to have either a sequential transmission, dog-ring gearbox, over 650 hp, or a tube-frame conversion to move that car to TTR. Which one might do it for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerjon1 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Well, we have considered a dog-box or sequential, but neither on high on my list at this point, I want to make sure everything else gets sorted first. It's the 650 HP I would be/am concerned about. From the other thread, I know its a TTU car (if HP ends up all right) so we will probably end up running a 295/30/18 racing slick putting us with 127 points added to the car. Jon K http://www.racerjon.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mavisky Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 If I know AMS, that thing may well be making more than 650hp, my friend just had his awd talon there the other day at 591hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerjon1 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Well.. its 557 at the wheels, I think looking at Fuel injector output its probably 675 or so flywheel. If nothing else knocked us out, then we had the option of detuning the car to stay within TTU rules, but in the other thread I have though it looks like the data aquisition will put us in the TTR class, so no reason to detune. Jon K http://www.racerjon.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tornado Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I actually think TTR will be a little empty and not the super crazy cars I thought initially. Of course I need some serious mods to move my points up from the TTU to TTR level though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bora450 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I'm still in TTA but moved up considerably in points. And after all that I paid you Greg, Pat is still in TTA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 15, 2006 National Staff Share Posted January 15, 2006 I'm starting to get the feeling that if I put his car in TTU base class, that he would still figure out a way to get it back into TTA (Just kidding, guys. Pat does comply with all of the rules. He just doesn't waste points, and is willing to change his mods to give points back if he sees a better deal. And, he knows that I'll be watching him very closely this year ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAC Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Goooo Pat! Greg's priiiiivate eyes...are watching you...they see your every move... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Screw the calculations, i'm taking the easy way out with the NASA alternate racecar classification with my soon to be legal SE-R cup car. TTD it is, or possibly some SR races... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAC Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Screw the calculations, i'm taking the easy way out with the NASA alternate racecar classification with my soon to be legal SE-R cup car. TTD it is, or possibly some SR races... What else have you done to your car already?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 ...well i have a lot left to do, and install. It's currently up at 7's Only being caged and a new racing seat, so it's been gutted of course. The brakes have been done. I have ready to install; JWT cams and ecu, header, exhaust, and power steering removal kit. And i have on order the Ground Control advance design coil-overs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Carter Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Going from TTB to TTU. Big jump for me. Mostly because of the advantage seen in having a big HP engine. I wish it were so. Maybe I'll continue to improve as a driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat L. Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I'm starting to get the feeling that if I put his car in TTU base class, that he would still figure out a way to get it back into TTA (Just kidding, guys. Pat does comply with all of the rules. He just doesn't waste points, and is willing to change his mods to give points back if he sees a better deal. And, he knows that I'll be watching him very closely this year ) Actually it was the alternative way in which we can take points based on reduction from curb weight that really helped me. Thanks, Greg! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FocusTed Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 I'm starting to get the feeling that if I put his car in TTU base class, that he would still figure out a way to get it back into TTA (Just kidding, guys. Pat does comply with all of the rules. He just doesn't waste points, and is willing to change his mods to give points back if he sees a better deal. And, he knows that I'll be watching him very closely this year ) Actually it was the alternative way in which we can take points based on reduction from curb weight that really helped me. Thanks, Greg! I agree Pat. The alternative weight points was a great idea. It kind of allows you to play with the weight of the car. Good job Greg!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn M. Posted January 16, 2006 Members Share Posted January 16, 2006 Good job Greg!!! I dont think he spent enough time nor did he have his full attention on the task at hand. Lets hope he can do better for us in 06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Staff Greg G. Posted January 17, 2006 National Staff Share Posted January 17, 2006 Good job Greg!!! I dont think he spent enough time nor did he have his full attention on the task at hand. Lets hope he can do better for us in 06. Obviously I didn't, or else a certain Ski-Rocko would be classified in TTD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn M. Posted January 17, 2006 Members Share Posted January 17, 2006 Obviously I didn't, or else a certain Ski-Rocko would be classified in TTD. See, your not listening. It was TTC!! But I had a smart person translate to english for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heeltoer Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 TTC 2005 TTB 2006 with one point to spare ugh, new rules were not kind to the Evo -heeltoer aka yang -------------------------- 03 evo B&B turboback DynoFlash Hallman MBC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8cobra99 Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Bart - what is your HP to Weight ratio in that FFR ?? What is your RWHP/TQ and what is your weight ?? And what tires do you run ?? andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Carter Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Bart - what is your HP to Weight ratio in that FFR ?? What is your RWHP/TQ and what is your weight ?? And what tires do you run ??andy Andy, I don't know what the HP in the new engine is yet. It was made much more streetable, so I lost HP, about 100 I'm guessing. That would put me around 550 HP. My weight is 2,530 lbs, on the heavy side for an FFR. So we are looking at 4.6 lbs per HP. Sounds great on paper. As a comparison, Clay's Cobra has 50 HP more and a lot less weight. Plus I feel he is a better driver. I was running Michelin Pilot Sport Cups until the end of last year when I tried the Kuhmo 710s. I'll be running the 710s this year, more so for their predictability than any thing else. My car is becoming more like a street car that I just bolt on track tires and run. The FFR Spec Racers are much lighter and have more development time on them than I could ever possibly have. Even with 300 HP less, they are 3-4 seconds faster that me on a fast track. More so on a technical track. But I'm sure a lot of that is driver. The car's biggest shortcomings seem to be short wheelbase with too much HP and aerodynamics. Once I can get traction in order to accelerate (higher speeds), the car gets lighter and doesn't stick as well in the turns. In the tighter turns you have to be careful as the rear will step out with to much throttle on or off. But that is the fun and challenge of driving a car with too much HP. I don't know what you have, but I would say a Spec Racer with about 3-400 HP would be tough to beat. The HP in this particular type of car is way over rated, so don't count on that as being the big club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8cobra99 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Bart - Holy cow, 4.6 hp/wght ratio !! I think I just had a special moment at my desk here at work.... I hear ya, if the power wont stick, it is hard to drive fast. I raced with the Factory Five guys and they are smoking fast. Since you will be in TT, get a rear wing for that car to keep the rear end from stepping out. I have a HPM wing that puts down 650lbs of downforce at 120-150MPH. (upside down airplane wing). And fabricate a front airdam... Track time.... as soon as you get more track time, you will be pretty much unstopable in that car.... andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAC Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 I have a HPM wing that puts down 650lbs of downforce at 120-150MPH. (upside down airplane wing). And fabricate a front airdam... andy 650 lbs of downforce? How much drag do you think that wing adds down the straights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASA Jim Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 The HPM wing is pretty efficient, but with a 4.6 hp/wght ratio, who cares about 50 HP of drag on the straights My near stock G20 that was in TTG under the old rules, stays in TTG. Of course, I will be optimistic and run in TTE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claykos Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Driving a High HP Cobra is not as easy or as fast as people think. Just because it can accelerate quickly does not mean it's unstoppable. My car, which is an FFR spec racer with a 4.2 power to weight, has been professionally driven around PIR (phoenix) at a 1:08.8. A professionally driven spec racer will do a mid to low 1:09. A viper comp coupe which has a ~6:1 power to weight will do 1:02 when driven properly. The driver who drove my car is an ex-Bondurant instructor, Trans Am Racer, NASCAR road course ringer, etc. He said driving the Cobra at the limit is much more difficult and stressful than driving a GT1/Trans Am car. The short wheelbase and high hp means that the weight transfer is very abrupt and the car is prone to huge changes in attitude when you are getting on to or off of the throttle. Also, the big HP means huge speed differentials between straights and corners which makes braking points extremely difficult to judge. Going from 155mph on the front straight at WSIR down to 100 for turn 1 with no ABS, no traction control, not even power brakes and a body that is producing half its weight in LIFT is a lot different than braking from 135 to 110 in a Z06, Viper or Honda S2000... Not to say it isn't a blast to step on the loud pedal doing 40 mph off a slow corner and hit 120 in 5 seconds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Carter Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 I'm not adding wings and things to my car as I am keeping with the street Cobra / add tires and go to the track. But I have to have the front spoiler to keep the front from lifting for safety. It looks like we should be bumped down a class for having too much HP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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