darreng505 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Hi, I'm planning/training to enter AIX sometime next year or the following. Was talking to a Ford Racing guy at superfest who brought up a good point about AIX, sometimes a fella brings a $400k car to that group and crushes the competition. Now, I don't want to go plain AI because I'd have to de-tune and strip down my built Boss, but my question/idea is why can't there be AI #'d classes like in TT, ST etc. to better bracket AI class cars? For example, my boss doesn't qualify for AI but and might be competitive in AIX locally (at 450rwhp) but won't be competitive at national level. Seems like there should be AI1,AI2, AIX.... Thoughts? Darren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty328 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 If you don't want to de-tune, go race in ST. Between CMC, CMC2, SI, AI and AIX we don't need anymore classes. BTW, lots of people de-tune for AI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darreng505 Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Well I might do that, but my point is that there is quite a bit of room between AI and AIX. CMC, Spec IRON, etc. are below AI. For example, AI cars running 376rwhp and AIX cars running 700rwhp....makes it hard to fit a car with 500rwhp in there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizlbits Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 For $400,000 I'll build you 4 cars that will crush most of the competition (except me of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 For $400,000 I'll build you 4 cars that will crush most of the competition (except me of course). Are you saying your Turbo car cost more than $400,000? Is it really going to take a half million dollar car to crush the mighty Chris Griswold?!!! Oh and while I'm at it...Looks like SI is between AI and AIX looking at the latest results from the Great Lakes Region. Carry on, Sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 If you don't want to de-tune, go race in ST. Between CMC, CMC2, SI, AI and AIX we don't need anymore classes. BTW, lots of people de-tune for AI Ummm...they killed CMC a couple years ago. Just one CMC class now which is the old CMC2 now called CMC. Confused yet? Sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizlbits Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 For $400,000 I'll build you 4 cars that will crush most of the competition (except me of course). Are you saying your Turbo car cost more than $400,000? Is it really going to take a half million dollar car to crush the mighty Chris Griswold?!!! Oh and while I'm at it...Looks like SI is between AI and AIX looking at the latest results from the Great Lakes Region. Sidney Nope, I'm saying I can build a kick ass turbo AIX car for $100,000 or less... - But you still have to drive it! They are a bit of a handful. As far as the SI versus AI: Dean Martin is a freak of nature - especially in the rain.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nape Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Well I might do that, but my point is that there is quite a bit of room between AI and AIX. CMC, Spec IRON, etc. are below AI. For example, AI cars running 376rwhp and AIX cars running 700rwhp....makes it hard to fit a car with 500rwhp in there.... Not everyone can get a plastic trophy and a winner's sticker. Your best bet if you want to race in AI/X and have competition is to buy a restrictor from Rehagen and a bunch of lead from your local plumbing supply and come run AI. My AI car makes 300ish rwhp and it runs pretty good against cars with 360-370rwhp. Otherwise, ST1 would probably fit a 500rwhp S197 pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darreng505 Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 (edited) For $400,000 I'll build you 4 cars that will crush most of the competition (except me of course). Are you saying your Turbo car cost more than $400,000? Is it really going to take a half million dollar car to crush the mighty Chris Griswold?!!! Oh and while I'm at it...Looks like SI is between AI and AIX looking at the latest results from the Great Lakes Region. Sidney Nope, I'm saying I can build a kick ass turbo AIX car for $100,000 or less... - But you still have to drive it! They are a bit of a handful. As far as the SI versus AI: Dean Martin is a freak of nature - especially in the rain.... And he just won GTS class in PWC yesterday....it was incredible. Qualified 8th or 9th (I forget) and slipped through a pile up on a turn...good for him. CG: How much does your car weigh? Edited June 3, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darreng505 Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 Well I might do that, but my point is that there is quite a bit of room between AI and AIX. CMC, Spec IRON, etc. are below AI. For example, AI cars running 376rwhp and AIX cars running 700rwhp....makes it hard to fit a car with 500rwhp in there.... Not everyone can get a plastic trophy and a winner's sticker. Your best bet if you want to race in AI/X and have competition is to buy a restrictor from Rehagen and a bunch of lead from your local plumbing supply and come run AI. My AI car makes 300ish rwhp and it runs pretty good against cars with 360-370rwhp. Otherwise, ST1 would probably fit a 500rwhp S197 pretty well. What is that supposed to mean? I'll be collecting my share of plastic trophys and winner stickers whichever class I run in.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darreng505 Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 If you don't want to de-tune, go race in ST. Between CMC, CMC2, SI, AI and AIX we don't need anymore classes. BTW, lots of people de-tune for AI Ummm...they killed CMC a couple years ago. Just one CMC class now which is the old CMC2 now called CMC. Confused yet? Sidney And this is kind of my point of this thread. I know things are what they are, but honestly, why can't it be simpler? For example: ST1,2,3,U TT1,2,3,U AI1,2,3,U (AI spec, etc.) Part of why people don't want to see new classes is that the names and conventions are all over the place. 1...2...3....etc separates power/weight , other rules, etc. 1's are generally better than 2's....better than 3's...etc. across the classes. Easy to understand. AI,TT,ST, define type of race, car models, and various rules differences. Much simpler IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Try this: AI4=CMC AI3=SI AI2=AI AI1=AIX There you go...four classes just like want. Now pick one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevepoe Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Try this: AI4=CMC AI3=SI AI2=AI AI1=AIX There you go...four classes just like want. Now pick one. Sidney........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darreng505 Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 Try this: AI4=CMC AI3=SI AI2=AI AI1=AIX There you go...four classes just like want. Now pick one. Cute. But there's still a huge gap between AI2 and AI1....compared to AI4-AI2....that's the bigger problem. Not just the naming.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizlbits Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 But there's still a huge gap between AI2 and AI1....compared to AI4-AI2....that's the bigger problem. Not just the naming.... Here, I fixed it for you. AI3=CMC AI2=SI AI1=AI AIU=AIX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbrew8991 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 The rise of anti-class poliferation isn't new, and it definitely isn't getting weaker either. If I were you, I'd figure out a way to make myself fit the class structure and not vice-versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darreng505 Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 The rise of anti-class poliferation isn't new, and it definitely isn't getting weaker either. If I were you, I'd figure out a way to make myself fit the class structure and not vice-versa. Well, yeah, I will have to. I just wanted to offer some feedback. I think the emergence of Spec Iron and restructuring of CMC shows that its an evolving system and one driven, in part, from feedback. 1,2,3,4 is easier to grasp than CMC,SI,AI,AIX, since it's also used in ST and TT. Just my $0.02. Back to your regularly scheduled programs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty328 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 How about this: 10 cars, 1 AI class = 10 cars racing each other. 10 cars, 4 AI classes = 2.5 cars racing against each other. 1 AI class = better Plus you don't have to figure what 3/4s of 1/2 a car width is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbodleimages Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 these class rules predate the boss 302 and you had to have known the structure was in place. there are many that restrict their boss 302's to race in ai and think of the money they saved from building them up further. st2 exists if you want to race more hp than ai but not as much as aix. they dont allow 1200whp cars in nascar sprint cup or 700hp cars in world challenge gts. as you mentioned dean's win at detroit in wc. its about the racing more than the hp number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wstukas Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 How about this: 10 cars, 1 AI class = 10 cars racing each other. 10 cars, 4 AI classes = 2.5 cars racing against each other. 1 AI class = better +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Algozine Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Try this: AI4=CMC AI3=SI AI2=AI AI1=AIX There you go...four classes just like want. Now pick one. Cute. But there's still a huge gap between AI2 and AI1....compared to AI4-AI2....that's the bigger problem. Not just the naming.... The "X" in AIX is for extreme. It has unlimited HP. There will always be a huge cap between infinity and what ever came before infinity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nape Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 What is that supposed to mean? I'll be collecting my share of plastic trophys and winner stickers whichever class I run in.... Sorry, you get a little cynical after years of rule changes and you just sit down and pray for rules stability adn the car count to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbodleimages Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Try this: AI4=CMC AI3=SI AI2=AI AI1=AIX There you go...four classes just like want. Now pick one. Cute. But there's still a huge gap between AI2 and AI1....compared to AI4-AI2....that's the bigger problem. Not just the naming.... The "X" in AIX is for extreme. It has unlimited HP. There will always be a huge cap between infinity and what ever came before infinity being fair, i dont think its unreasonable to ask if aix as a class is working very well. if you combined aix and su, you would still struggle to get any kind of car count. personally, i would expect to see some evolution of the ai power to weight ratio in the coming years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nape Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 personally, i would expect to see some evolution of the ai power to weight ratio in the coming years. It already happened last year. 9.5:1 for FR ABS, 9.25:1 for other ABS, 9:1 for real man's brakes. I hope it doesn't change again. I'm still down 15RWHP from that rule and I'm hoping to fix it before next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Algozine Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 What is that supposed to mean? I'll be collecting my share of plastic trophys and winner stickers whichever class I run in.... Sorry, you get a little cynical after years of rule changes and you just sit down and pray for rules stability adn the car count to come back. TJ, just give in and drink the Blue oval Kool-Aid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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